Re: Re: Henry Wallace

2000-05-28 Thread Charles Brown



 Michael Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/26/00 09:01PM 
 CB: Yes, I often think that the Wallace would have been president without 
 the switch.  Was Wallace for real ?  A red ? 

Well, he would have been prez if he'd still been vice-prez when FDR died 
at beginning of fourth term in 1945...

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CB: Yea, that's what I was thinking. Somebody (powerful) probably thought, hey, FDR 
might die , and then Wallace would be pres. We better get him out of there.

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Wallace came from Iowa Republican family, father was agriculture secretary 
under Harding  Coolidge (recall Harding died in '23) from 1921 until his 
death in 1924.  Educated as plant geneticist - he developed first high-
yield hybrid corn - HW took over family newspaper after dad died.  Running 
paper with farming focus led Wallace to break with Reps over party's 
inattention to plight of rural farming families.  Wallace used newspaper 
to promote farm price supports which he proceeded to implement as FDR's 
first agricultural secretary.

In 1950, HW broke with supporters and people he was close to on political 
left over their refusal to support US in Korean War.  He would also 
become public critic of Soviet Union.  He wasn't red...   

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CB: Thanks. Seems like he would have been a barrier to whipping up the Cold War and 
McCarthyism.

CB




Henry Wallace

2000-05-26 Thread Michael Keaney

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on 25/5/00 10:39 pm, Nathan Newman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just don't see what is gained by the campaign.  Third party folks make
 so many wondrous claims for such third party efforts, yet historically
 Lafayette in 1924 delivered the reactionary era of Coolidge; Wallace the
 Cold War and McCarthyism; and we can go on.  The exception is Debs pushing
 both parties to a more progressive politics, but that reflected the
 general upsurge of socialist organizing as much as Debs campaign itself.
 THe problem with Nader is that it is largely a campaign without a social
 movement.  That is what seems like a waste to me.

Further to Carrol's welcome defence of Wallace, the logic of the above is
less than apparent. The Cold War and McCarthyism came from the Democrats,
primarily, notwithstanding Joe's party tag (McCarthy had defeated the junior
LaFollette to take the latter's senate seat, incidentally). Wallace also
defended the involvement of communists in his campaign against the censure
of ADA, that nominally liberal outfit. And these and many other "liberals"
were quite happy to entrust national "security" to the most illiberal J.
Edgar Hoover, no questions asked. That Wallace's campaign "delivered"
anything other than a radical alternative requires much stronger
justification.

Similarly, it is not clear that the deeply conservative John Davis would
have been any more progressive than Coolidge, given the capture of the
Democratic leadership by east coast business interests which opposed the
"progressivism" of McAdoo.

Like Michael P., I shudder at the thought of dubya.

Michael K.




Re: Henry Wallace

2000-05-26 Thread Michael Hoover

 on 25/5/00 10:39 pm, Nathan Newman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Third party folks make
  so many wondrous claims for such third party efforts, yet historically
  Lafayette in 1924 delivered the reactionary era of Coolidge; Wallace the
  Cold War and McCarthyism; and we can go on.

 The Cold War and McCarthyism came from the Democrats,
 primarily, notwithstanding Joe's party tag 
 Similarly, it is not clear that the deeply conservative John Davis would
 have been any more progressive than Coolidge, given the capture of the
 Democratic leadership by east coast business interests which opposed the
 "progressivism" of McAdoo.
 Michael K.

Combined, LaFollette  Davis received 2.5 million fewer votes than 
Coolidge in '24.  Several factors contributed to Coolidge landslide:
economic expansion, Harding scandals were minimized, Dems took about
2 1/2 weeks and over 100 convention ballots to select Davis as 
'compromise' nominee, LaFollette had limited financing and was smeared 
as 'red.'

Re. '24 Dems, California's McAdoo was supported by rural southern delegates
who blocked platform plank repudiating Klan.  Urban northern progressives
in party supported New York's Al Smith.  As this was first convention to
be broadcast on radio, internal bickering was heard by prospective voters
throughout country and likelihood of any Dem winning decreased as convention
dragged on.  Eventual candidate, West Virginia's Davis, with ties to Wall 
Street, was indistiguishable from Coolidge.

As for 1948, 'first shot' of domestic Cold War was fired by Dems/FDR 
dropped Wallace as VP in favor of Truman in '44.  And Truman would remove 
Wallace as Commerce Secretary in '46 (and initiate loyalty oaths and
Smith Act investigations in '47).   Michael Hoover




Re: Henry Wallace

2000-05-26 Thread Charles Brown


 Michael Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/26/00 08:32AM 
As for 1948, 'first shot' of domestic Cold War was fired by Dems/FDR 
dropped Wallace as VP in favor of Truman in '44.  And Truman would remove 
Wallace as Commerce Secretary in '46 (and initiate loyalty oaths and
Smith Act investigations in '47).   

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CB: Yes, I often think that the Wallace would have been president without the switch.  
Was Wallace for real ?  A red ? Don't mean to be too counterfactual hypothetical.

The U.S. ruling class was starting the Cold War with the removal of Wallace from Vice 
President. 




Re: Re: Henry Wallace

2000-05-26 Thread Michael Hoover

 CB: Yes, I often think that the Wallace would have been president without 
 the switch.  Was Wallace for real ?  A red ? 

Well, he would have been prez if he'd still been vice-prez when FDR died 
at beginning of fourth term in 1945...

Wallace came from Iowa Republican family, father was agriculture secretary 
under Harding  Coolidge (recall Harding died in '23) from 1921 until his 
death in 1924.  Educated as plant geneticist - he developed first high-
yield hybrid corn - HW took over family newspaper after dad died.  Running 
paper with farming focus led Wallace to break with Reps over party's 
inattention to plight of rural farming families.  Wallace used newspaper 
to promote farm price supports which he proceeded to implement as FDR's 
first agricultural secretary.

In 1950, HW broke with supporters and people he was close to on political 
left over their refusal to support US in Korean War.  He would also 
become public critic of Soviet Union.  He wasn't red...   Michael Hoover