Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-22 Thread Charles Brown

Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows
by Louis Proyect
21 May 2002 19:40 UTC  


>Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins & Lewontin, _The Dialectical
>Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7,
>"The Problem of Lysenkoism." There were many elements involved, and it
>was no matter of mere quackery.
>
>Carrol

Yes, of course. There is another side to Lysenko. In fact Stephen Jay Gould
treats him with considerable respect in one of his essays although I can't
remember the technical details.

^^^

CB: As I understand it, Lysenko's theory ran afoul, somewhat, of the fundamental 
biological dogma against the inheritance of acquired characteristics. Theories of 
inheritance of acquired characteristics are sometimes termed LaMarckian.

Cloning as a method of breeding an individual organism with particularly desirable 
characteristics is not LaMarckian, as long as the characteristics that one seeks to 
reproduce in the clones are inherited and were not acquired during the life time of 
the organism which is the "stud".




Re: RE: Re: Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect

>if early-onset Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in yet, the problem was not Lysenko
>himself, who was simply updating Lamarck in a period when the alternative
>Darwin-Mendel theory hadn't completely taken hold, even in the U.S. The
>problem was that Lysenko's theory became The Party Line, a line which had
>state power behind it. Those who doubted, suffered. 
>JD

This is a link for the chapter on Lysenkoism in Helen Sheehan's "Marxism
and the Philosophy of Science", a truly great book.

http://www.comms.dcu.ie/sheehanh/lysenko.htm

Louis Proyect
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RE: Re: Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James

LP:> Yes, of course. There is another side to Lysenko. In fact Stephen Jay
Gould treats him with considerable respect in one of his essays although I
can't remember the technical details.<

if early-onset Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in yet, the problem was not Lysenko
himself, who was simply updating Lamarck in a period when the alternative
Darwin-Mendel theory hadn't completely taken hold, even in the U.S. The
problem was that Lysenko's theory became The Party Line, a line which had
state power behind it. Those who doubted, suffered. 
JD




Re: Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect

>Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins & Lewontin, _The Dialectical
>Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7,
>"The Problem of Lysenkoism." There were many elements involved, and it
>was no matter of mere quackery.
>
>Carrol

Yes, of course. There is another side to Lysenko. In fact Stephen Jay Gould
treats him with considerable respect in one of his essays although I can't
remember the technical details.

Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org




Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Carrol Cox



Louis Proyect wrote:
> 
>
> 
> I don't know whether Lysenko's reputation revolved around quick, technical
> solutions. I was under the impression that he was infamous for quackery
> under pressure from Stalin. 

Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins & Lewontin, _The Dialectical
Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7,
"The Problem of Lysenkoism." There were many elements involved, and it
was no matter of mere quackery.

Carrol