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I like Ellerman's work on worker self-management, where he is a considerable expert. --jks > who is he. Where did this appear? > Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: > > > >David Ellerman is tucked away working on firm governance issues in Eastern >Europe for the WB. He also worked closely with Stiglitz when he was there. > >The quote comes from "Intellectual Trespassing as a Way of Life" [p. >27--still in print and a great read BTW]. He's also the author of a few >other books, the most interesting of which is "Property and Contract in >Economics" > >Ian > > > > > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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>BDL>You think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? >** > >I don't know; So in other words, you don't. ** Thank you God for collapsing the unpredictability of the future with your unsurpassable foreknowledge of 21st century political-economic history. I realize your programming me for undecidability/ignorance/free will was needed to alleviate your insecurity that anyone may have notions that they could experience the world in any way incommensurable with your divine epistemology. Ian
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> >>Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto >>>the welfare bill. Only Gore & Dick Morris urged him to sign it. >>> >>>Doug >> >>I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? >> >> > >Brad DeLong Thanks... Brad DeLong
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MP>> who is he. Where did this appear? Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: David Ellerman is tucked away working on firm governance issues in Eastern Europe for the WB. He also worked closely with Stiglitz when he was there. The quote comes from "Intellectual Trespassing as a Way of Life" [p. 27--still in print and a great read BTW]. He's also the author of a few other books, the most interesting of which is "Property and Contract in Economics" Ian
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Michael, Would be better than a lot. So might Russ Feingold. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4211] Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling >Wellstone? > >"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: > >> Michael, >>I agree. But, who would have done better aside >> from Clinton himself? > >-- > >Michael Perelman >Economics Department >California State University >Chico, CA 95929 > >Tel. 530-898-5321 >E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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Brad DeLong wrote: >I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? The person I first heard it from got it from Dick Morris' book, I think, but someone told me last night that Peter Edelman has been saying the same thing. Doug
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>>Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto >>the welfare bill. Only Gore & Dick Morris urged him to sign it. >> >>Doug > >I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? > > >Brad DeLong The New York Times, August 1, 1996, Thursday, Late Edition - Final THE WELFARE BILL: THE WHITE HOUSE; Clinton Recalls His Promise, Weighs History, and Decides By TODD S. PURDUM WASHINGTON, July 31 When President Clinton and a dozen of his top advisers sat down in the Cabinet Room to discuss the welfare bill this morning, everyone knew he faced the biggest domestic decision of his Presidency. Though they were prepared to close ranks behind him, the President's advisers knew this was their last chance to be heard on an issue on which there was no middle ground left. By turns they spoke and their leader listened. But as he often does, Mr. Clinton ended the two-and-a-half-hour meeting without tipping his hand. Instead, he repaired to the Oval Office with Vice President AL GORE, who aides said ENCOURAGED THE PRESIDENT TO SIGN THE BILL, and his chief of staff, Leon E. Panetta, who URGED A VETO. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a former board chairman of the Children's Defense Fund, which has bitterly opposed the bill, was at the Olympics in Atlanta, and her chief of staff, Maggie Williams, who usually represents her at such gatherings, did not even attend the final meeting. The debate arrayed advisers like Mr. Panetta, George Stephanopoulos and Harold M. Ickes, who favored branding the bill extreme, against Dick Morris, the President's political adviser, Mr. Reed and Rahm Emmanuel, a political aide who led the charge to sign it as a way of delivering on Mr. Clinton's 1992 promise to "end welfare as we know it." In the meeting, MR. GORE AND MR. PANETTA, AS DE FACTO LEADERS OF THE OPPOSING GROUPS, each refrained from comment, while others sitting around the big oblong table in the Cabinet Room spoke in turn. The group included Treasury Secretary Robert E. Rubin, Housing Secretary Henry G. Cisneros, Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor, Labor Secretary Robert B. Reich and the head of the National Economic Council, Laura D'Andrea Tyson. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
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>I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means >I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's >welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership >capacity. > >mbs > > >I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies >on the right" does not a large movement make when you start with 3%... > >Brad Ah. A clarifying comment on the meaning of "dork"... :-)
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I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership capacity. mbs I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies on the right" does not a large movement make when you start with 3%... Brad
