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- Original Message - From: "Lee, Frederic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would add to Professor Henwood's comment that it has been the policy of most all of the prestige departments to not hire heterodox economists Ok Doug 'fess up, what invisible college are you affiliated with? Ian
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Dear Colleagues, Regarding the discussion about heterodox and heterodox departments, I have two comments. 1. The term heterodox in heterodox economics is an umbrella term to cover Post Keynesian, Marxist, Institutionalist, radical, social, feminist, and Georgist (and others) economics and economists. No other collective term exists that can do this; and I should note that this is all the term means. The Association for Heterodox Economics (www.hetecon.com) is a current working example of "heterodox" in action. While many economists grumble about the word, I find that those most set against it object to community implication of heterodox. To be a heterodox economist means that you are part of a community of heterodox economists, whether they be Post Keynesian, Marxist, etc. And while there are differencies in terms of theory and policy among heterodox economists, they are minor compared to what they have in common. 2. The issue of prestigous economics departments and heterodox economists, I would add to Professor Henwood's comment that it has been the policy of most all of the prestige departments to not hire heterodox economists; and it has been the policy of all orthodox economists to exclude heterodox economists from academia. Thus the real question is not why there are no heterodox economic departments at prestigous universities; rather the question is, given the explicit repression of heterodox economists for the last 100 years, why do heterodox economists still exist. It is our current existence that really needs to be accounted for. Finally, as for those prestigous departments all of which have engaged in intellectual cleansing, I do not consider them prestigous at all and certainly do not think that the economists in those departments are any better than the heterodox economists I associate with and/or in my department at UMKC. Fred Lee
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Not unless Gene agrees to stay here. On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 04:26:02PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote: > are you serious about me listing Chico? All I saw there > were a lot of guys who had run out of shaving cream. > > mbs > > > > Chico State, where Gene Coyle lectured. > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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are you serious about me listing Chico? All I saw there were a lot of guys who had run out of shaving cream. mbs > Chico State, where Gene Coyle lectured.
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> Hey, just about the whole world is heterodox! hey, why is the logical opposite of heterodox called "orthodox" when the logical opposite of heterosexual is called "homosexual"? orthophobically yours, JD
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Kalamazoo has two New Schoolers, Louis-Philippe Rochon (who has a name chair) and Matias Vernengo, and they have their own institute, hold conferences, etc. Hey, just about the whole world is heterodox!
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Loyola Marymount University has nothing. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Original Message- > From: Forstater, Mathew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L:25960] RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Hetero Depts > > > Colorado State - Fort Collins still has a bunch of > institutionalists and > a program or concentration in institutional or political economy. Ron > Stanfield, Ronnie Phillips, etc. > > University of Denver has Post Keynesians and institutionalists like > Peter Ho, Tracy Mott, Robert Urquhart, etc. > > Wright State U. has feminists and institutionalists like Jim Swaney, > Paulette Olson, Barbara Hopkins. >
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Colorado State - Fort Collins still has a bunch of institutionalists and a program or concentration in institutional or political economy. Ron Stanfield, Ronnie Phillips, etc. University of Denver has Post Keynesians and institutionalists like Peter Ho, Tracy Mott, Robert Urquhart, etc. Wright State U. has feminists and institutionalists like Jim Swaney, Paulette Olson, Barbara Hopkins.
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Cal State San Bernardino has Nancy Rose, Mayo Torunyo, Eric Nilsson (on pen-l I believe). Listen, one hetero economist does not a hetero dept make. That's called a marginalized token. I say either there has to be a concentration of non-mainstream people (not all, maybe not even half, but a concentration of them) and/or the curriculum has to actually include alternative traditions.
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Dickinson College in Carlisle PA, has a Marxist (Sinan Koont, phd from UMass-Amherst), a neo-Marxists/radical political economist (Chuck Barone, Phd from American) an institutionalist (Gordon Bergsten, Phd from UCB), and a non-neoclassical Austrian (Bill Bellinger). Their visiting people are usually from UMass (in recent years George DeMartino and Ted Burczak) or George Mason or American. Maybe their recent environmental economist is mainstream, but as a dept, they are pretty non-orthodox. By the way, on the terminology, someone on the PKT list suggested that "orthodox" is actually a misnomer, better thought of as "homodox." UMKC often uses "Pluralistic" instead of heterodox. -Original Message- From: Ellen Frank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:25946] Re: Re: RE: Hetero Depts Max - I don't beleive Tufts has a heterodox department (though the university does house the global development and environment program). Dickinson also does not have a heterodox dept; Matt is probably thinking of Drew University in PA -- where Tom Dickins teaches. As long as you're considering undergrad programs, Simmons College in Boston has a nice mix of faculty as does Mount Holyoke. I personally hate the word heterodox. How about inclusive, open-minded, free-thinking? Ellen
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Ellen writes: >I personally hate the word heterodox. How about inclusive, open-minded, free-thinking? < I don't like the term "heterodox" either, but at least it implies that the hegemonic neoclassical school is what it is, i.e., orthodox. But how about hegemonic vs. insurgent schools of economics? JD
