Re: population control

1994-09-07 Thread Eban Goodstein

I actually had a copy on my desk.

I've edited my remarks into the form of a letter to the editor. Please
consider it one. Thanks,

eban




In Message Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:09:12 -0700,
  Marc Breslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Eban Goodstein:
>I don't know whether you saw our recent article on population control, but
>your comments would in fact make a good response to it, and if possible, 
>I would like to publish some version of them in the next issue of the magazine. 
>Please let me know if you might be interested. 
>Thanks.
>Betsy Reed, editor
>Dollars and Sense


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 Betsy Hartmann's article "Population Fictions" maintains that
a focus on population growth distracts from the "real" issues
underlying poverty and underdevelopment-- ie neocolonialism, debt,
unequal distribution of wealth, overconsumption in rich countries.
My own view is that population growth is better seen as one of the
"real" issues in its own right. 

 I think it is hard to argue that rapid population growth in
this day and age does not severely aggravate attempts to reduce
poverty in poor countries. In Zambia for example, 3% growth rates
mean that just to stay even, the (bankrupt) state has to increase
investment in education by 3% per year in real terms. Obviously
Zambia's current situation has been largely determined by its
colonial and neocolonial history, but from a practical perspective,
population control has got to be part of the solution. 

 By the year 2050 world population is certain to double to
around 11 billion people; an optimistic view sees population
stabilizing at that level, as a result of genuine and
(sustainable?) economic development in the LDC's, the much
discussed increase in education and formal labor market
participation for women, and greatly increased funding for birth
control. But it is disturbingly easy to envision much higher
population levels by that time, and genuinely horrifying to
consider what will happen without a very serious commitment to
comprehensive family planning. 

 There is a silver lining to this cloud: along with global
environmental threats, the population problem has the potential to
harness Northern self-interest to address problems of poverty in
the South. Family planning, absent a commitment to alleviating
poverty and improving the status of women, will not in itself be
sufficient to control population growth. Poor people have large
families for good economic reasons. Thus focussing the attention of
the developed world on population issues must ultimately force, and
to a surprising extent already has forced, a serious discussion of
poverty and patriarchy. 

 While suspicion of the World Bank's motives are in order, as
well as exposure of the coercive policies followed in India and
elsewhere, it seems that we should welcome the recent initiatives
by the environmental and development organizations, and put our
energies into seeing that population control is not about control,
but instead, about choice.



Re: population control

1994-09-07 Thread Marc Breslow

Eban Goodstein:
I don't know whether you saw our recent article on population control, but
your comments would in fact make a good response to it, and if possible, 
I would like to publish some version of them in the next issue of the magazine. 
Please let me know if you might be interested. 
Thanks.
Betsy Reed, editor
Dollars and Sense



Re: population control

1994-09-02 Thread Ajit Sinha

To my earlier statement: "population is not a problem-- poverty is", Eban
Goodstein observes: "My own view is that population growth is better seen as
one of the 'real' issues in its own right." I think we getting at the basic
question in the debate. Though I do not have a firm opinion on this issue, I
think it would be fruitful to pose a few questions to the 'population is a
problem' thesis.

(1) Would population be a "problem" if you were part of the population that is
supposed to be the "problem". This is not a sentimental question, but a
theoretical question.

(2) What does control mean, and who does the controling.

(3) What would "family planning" mean if there is nothing to plan for; i.e.
no sense of a future-- life is nothing but hopeless stagnation generation after
generation after generation ...

Cindy Cotter asks me, why poverty cause high rate of growth of population? I
sincerely don't know why. My guess is, there must be a lot of factors. Religon,
which is independent of poverty, can be one important reason. For example, in
predominantly catholic or muslim cultures one may find high rate of growth of
population independent of economic considerations. But I think economic
reasoning generally prevails (by economic reasoning I don't mean economism of
indevidual decision makers, but an economic culture in general such as urban-
rural, advanced-backward, etc.). One good way to test some of the population
theses would be to look at average family size of the first two generations of
emigrants from high population areas to first world countries. Most of these
people are from working class families. If they are behaving "rationally" here,
then they probably were behaving "rationally" there too. Poverty for me is not
simply an economic category, it is a sociological category rather. We won't
call many tribes living in Rain Forest "poor" simply because they don't even
have clothes.

In Indian context one can argue that poor people in rural areas have large
families because children soon become "earners", infant and child mortality
rate is high-- so a conservative insurance policy would result in large
families, children are the only social security in the old age, average life
expectancy is extremely low (I guess 35-40), ect., and, of course, no future
for your children. "Family planning" has been a great success in the urban
middle class population. I have seen drastic changes before my eyes.

I never said that US unser-class has high rate of growth of population. If it
is true, then of course we should think about the reasons why it is so?

   Cheers, Ajit Sinha



Re: population control

1994-09-02 Thread Chris Barrett

I concur with Eban that we should "put our energies into seeing that 
population control is not about control, but instead, about choice."  
Unfortunately, "choice" often becomes code for "control" in lower 
income country settings.  

The population problem is indisputably real, but analysis of the 
problem often confounds rational behavior in the aggregate (i.e., at 
the national or regional level) with the intrinsically micro level of 
fertility decisions.  In places where poverty is predominantly an 
urban phenomenon and employment comes mainly through firms and 
governments, broad and ambitious population control projects are 
generally a sound objective.  But where the poor are mainly semi-
subsistence farmers (as with the populations I work amongst in 
Africa), many children are both cause and consequence of poverty.  
Focusing on the latter point exclusively, the needs (1) to overcome 
seasonal labor shortages, (2) to insure against the risk of parental 
injury or illness that might impede cultivation or harvest, (3) to 
ensure surviving caregivers in societies with no dependable social 
safety net, and (4) to broaden the familial unit's range of possible 
income sources are major economic incentives to childbearing often 
raised by (usually male) peasants.  The non-economic factors (e.g., 
prestige, tradition, religion) are perhaps even greater in some 
places.  Once one gets off the tarmac, it is by no means clear that 
population control is either desired or desirable (neither is it 
clear that it is not desired or desirable ... the point is that the 
etiology of fertility is different in this context and may thus 
warrant a different approach).

My concern about attempts to redirect energies (and increasingly 
scarce financial, human and technical resources) toward population 
control programs -- with the objective of improving the lot of current 
and future populations -- is that such efforts will quickly move 
beyond contexts in which they are well-conceived and appropriate, 
squandering scarce opportunities or even doing real damage to a great 
number.  That has been the experience with "democratization", 
"structural adjustment", and "integrated conservation and 
development."  Can we guard against the willy-nilly invocation of 
population control programs if these become an international priority?

Chris Barrett
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