Re: Electronic voting machines
But only available to subscribers. How do they respond to this question? Ralph - Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines there's an article in the current Z magazine on this topic. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Original Message- > From: k hanly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Electronic voting machines > > > This has already happened in some instances where one party > thinks they have > been wronged. But one would think that both parties would reject the > machines. Perhaps they think this will be an equal > opportunity tampering > system! >You would think both parties would want some sort of check > on tampering > and some means of going over results. > Couldnt party computer experts check on program to see if it > was OK somehow? > I suppose that would probably infringe on trade secrets. > > Widespread problems with new touch-screen voting machines > delayed election > results in Fairfax County Tuesday night and led to a legal > challenge by > Republican officials. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1355-2003Nov4.html > > Cheers, Ken Hanly > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ralph Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > > > > This exchange is another on several lists that I've seen > regarding the > > allegedly unaccountable voting machines which doesn't deal > with the fact > > that this is, at least in terms of patronage if not of program, a > two-party > > system. If one party seeks to squirrel votes in a machine > not open to > public > > scrutiny, why is not the other party crying bloody murder? > I have asked > this > > question on other lists at least twice. No answer offered > by anybody so > far. > > Is it the assumption that the Dems are brain-dead or is it > that they are > > thought to be benefiting from the same glitch and colluding against > voters? > > What in the world? Am I missing something here? > > > > Ralph > > >
Re: Electronic voting machines
there's an article in the current Z magazine on this topic. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Original Message- > From: k hanly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Electronic voting machines > > > This has already happened in some instances where one party > thinks they have > been wronged. But one would think that both parties would reject the > machines. Perhaps they think this will be an equal > opportunity tampering > system! >You would think both parties would want some sort of check > on tampering > and some means of going over results. > Couldnt party computer experts check on program to see if it > was OK somehow? > I suppose that would probably infringe on trade secrets. > > Widespread problems with new touch-screen voting machines > delayed election > results in Fairfax County Tuesday night and led to a legal > challenge by > Republican officials. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1355-2003Nov4.html > > Cheers, Ken Hanly > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ralph Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > > > > This exchange is another on several lists that I've seen > regarding the > > allegedly unaccountable voting machines which doesn't deal > with the fact > > that this is, at least in terms of patronage if not of program, a > two-party > > system. If one party seeks to squirrel votes in a machine > not open to > public > > scrutiny, why is not the other party crying bloody murder? > I have asked > this > > question on other lists at least twice. No answer offered > by anybody so > far. > > Is it the assumption that the Dems are brain-dead or is it > that they are > > thought to be benefiting from the same glitch and colluding against > voters? > > What in the world? Am I missing something here? > > > > Ralph > > >
Re: Electronic voting machines
This has already happened in some instances where one party thinks they have been wronged. But one would think that both parties would reject the machines. Perhaps they think this will be an equal opportunity tampering system! You would think both parties would want some sort of check on tampering and some means of going over results. Couldnt party computer experts check on program to see if it was OK somehow? I suppose that would probably infringe on trade secrets. Widespread problems with new touch-screen voting machines delayed election results in Fairfax County Tuesday night and led to a legal challenge by Republican officials. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1355-2003Nov4.html Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: "Ralph Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > This exchange is another on several lists that I've seen regarding the > allegedly unaccountable voting machines which doesn't deal with the fact > that this is, at least in terms of patronage if not of program, a two-party > system. If one party seeks to squirrel votes in a machine not open to public > scrutiny, why is not the other party crying bloody murder? I have asked this > question on other lists at least twice. No answer offered by anybody so far. > Is it the assumption that the Dems are brain-dead or is it that they are > thought to be benefiting from the same glitch and colluding against voters? > What in the world? Am I missing something here? > > Ralph >
Re: Electronic voting machines
This exchange is another on several lists that I've seen regarding the allegedly unaccountable voting machines which doesn't deal with the fact that this is, at least in terms of patronage if not of program, a two-party system. If one party seeks to squirrel votes in a machine not open to public scrutiny, why is not the other party crying bloody murder? I have asked this question on other lists at least twice. No answer offered by anybody so far. Is it the assumption that the Dems are brain-dead or is it that they are thought to be benefiting from the same glitch and colluding against voters? What in the world? Am I missing something here? Ralph - Original Message - From: "k hanly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > How would it be possible to have a recount with these machines? And what > replaces party scrutineers? Or do they have them in the US. Are there are > laws regulating the manufacturers of these machines. It seems that they are > able to donate to political parties. That is an open invitation to fraud.. > > > Cheers, Ken Hanly sorry about blank post.. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > > > > There's a lot on the blogs on this. Check the archives on > > www.calpundit.com, www.dailykos.com, and www.talkingpointsmemo.com > > > > mbs > > > > > > > > Bill Lear wrote: > > > > >Has any one here written about the new wave of electronic voting > > >machines or know of any good material on the subject? My sister-in-law > > >is researching this for a talk she is giving and would like some > > >critical commentary. > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > >
Re: Electronic voting machines
How would it be possible to have a recount with these machines? And what replaces party scrutineers? Or do they have them in the US. Are there are laws regulating the manufacturers of these machines. It seems that they are able to donate to political parties. That is an open invitation to fraud.. Cheers, Ken Hanly sorry about blank post.. - Original Message - From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > There's a lot on the blogs on this. Check the archives on > www.calpundit.com, www.dailykos.com, and www.talkingpointsmemo.com > > mbs > > > > Bill Lear wrote: > > >Has any one here written about the new wave of electronic voting > >machines or know of any good material on the subject? My sister-in-law > >is researching this for a talk she is giving and would like some > >critical commentary. > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Bill > > > > > >
Re: Electronic voting machines
- Original Message - From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Electronic voting machines > There's a lot on the blogs on this. Check the archives on > www.calpundit.com, www.dailykos.com, and www.talkingpointsmemo.com > > mbs > > > > Bill Lear wrote: > > >Has any one here written about the new wave of electronic voting > >machines or know of any good material on the subject? My sister-in-law > >is researching this for a talk she is giving and would like some > >critical commentary. > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Bill > > > > > >
Re: Electronic voting machines
There's a lot on the blogs on this. Check the archives on www.calpundit.com, www.dailykos.com, and www.talkingpointsmemo.com mbs Bill Lear wrote: Has any one here written about the new wave of electronic voting machines or know of any good material on the subject? My sister-in-law is researching this for a talk she is giving and would like some critical commentary. Thanks. Bill
Re: Electronic voting machines
Try: http://www.blackboxvoting.com/ http://gregpalast.com/ http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/ "Michael Pollak" PEN-L post, Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:16 PM Insecure code for electronic voting, Financial Times, Sep 12, 2003 Macdonald Stainsby (rad-green list) also has information on this. http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/rad-green Or just look under "Diebold Machines" American democracy is a total fraud right up to the finding that Americans cannot even tally the votes cast in elections correctly. Nevertheless, the American fraudsters want to tell the Cuban government that the Cubans need to be more "democratic" and aim to establish "democracy" in Iraq. But if you lie and defraud in your own country, "in the name of Jesus Christ our saviour" and so on, you can hardly expected to act in a principled manner anywhere else. J.
