Re: Re: China and GM food

2000-06-29 Thread Ken Hanly

The development of GM foods in China is a very mixed blessing. Companies such as
Monsanto are quite active there and may become more active as other countries
place barriers
on the development of GM seeds. The present trend towards capitalism in China
will only be
furthered. The development of herbicide resistant plants for example increases
dependence upon pesiticdes developed by companies such as Monsanto. On the other
hand there are potentially progressive and useful trends as well. For example
genetically engineered rice with higher vitamin A content. Shiva's comments on
this are really for the birds. She will go to any length to imagine difficulties
with any GM application.
She claims for example that people will get too much vitamin A and this great
traditionalist wants Asians to change their diet to get vitamin A. Shiva is not
even in favor of  genetic engineering of drought resistant plants, plants that
might be a great aid to subsistence farmers in drought-stricken areas. China is
not blessed with any effective opposition NGO's and environmental groups that
might help avoid potentially disastrous mistakes. While in Europe the risks of
GM seeds are probably over-stressed, in China any risks will likely be ignored.
   Cheers, Ken Hanly

Louis Proyect wrote:

 Whatever ecological reservations progressive people may have about this, it
 is entirely understandable that a country like China needs to make a major
 push to gain relative advantage in the world. This would release vast
 amounts of labour power and purchasing power for economic transformation of
 the east Asian region.
 
 Chris Burford

 Economic transformation? You are referring to capitalism in rather neutral
 terms, it seems.

 Louis Proyect
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Re: Re: China and GM food

2000-06-29 Thread Chris Burford

At 19:48 28/06/00 -0400, you wrote:
 Whatever ecological reservations progressive people may have about this, it
 is entirely understandable that a country like China needs to make a major
 push to gain relative advantage in the world. This would release vast
 amounts of labour power and purchasing power for economic transformation of
 the east Asian region.
 
 Chris Burford

Economic transformation? You are referring to capitalism in rather neutral
terms, it seems.

Louis Proyect


Yes, I think I was using neutral terms. Many people have strong views 
already about whether China is fully capitalist. The Chinese Party appears 
determined to try to keep some control of the state and the economy and 
would no doubt continue to argue that its acceptance of greater economic 
flexibility is in the ultimate interests of socialism. They argue with more 
conviction that it is in the ultimate interests of China.

What I was referring to in neutral terms was the likelihood of an enormous 
increase in the technological means of production of agricultural goods in 
China, the expansion of the market and the release of labour power. This 
will have enormous geopolitical significance for a multi-polar economic world.

Many will see this as increased exploitation of the land and the labour force.

However in the struggle against global unequal exchange it is very 
difficult for any developing country, whether capitalist, socialist or 
social democrat, to retain a higher proportion of its surplus product for 
reinvesting locally.

I am far from enthusiastic about these reports from China, but they look 
very significant and something we should watch.

Chris Burford

London