Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Ian Murray


- Original Message -
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 A friend of mine who spent a few
 years as a reporter in Vietnam interviewed Nike workers who
told her
 that they prefer their sweatshop jobs to what they would have
been
 doing otherwise - things like chasing rats in rice paddies
(not much
 fun to be a woman on the farm).
==

This of course raises, again, the issue of Marx' vs. Roemer's
views on exploitation.

Ian










Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Carl Remick

From: Sabri Oncu [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't forget that this is not just a temporal/historical but also
a spatial/geographical system. Even at times of capitalist booms,
although the boom lifts some boats in certain locations, other
boats sink in certain other locations. I would say whether you
appreciate or hate the fact that capitalism often produces
greats booms depends on your location.

[Location, sure, and let's not forget class!  From today's NY Times:]

For Executives, Nest Egg Is Wrapped in a Security Blanket

By DAVID LEONHARDT

General Electric allows its top executives to contribute money to a 
retirement fund on which the company recently guaranteed an annual return of 
at least 10 percent, far better than a typical G.E. worker saving money in 
the company's 401(k) plan can expect.

Tenneco Automotive, which makes shock absorbers, permits its executives to 
receive a full pension at age 55, seven years before the company's other 
employees can.

When Louis V. Gerstner retired as I.B.M.'s chief executive last week, he 
became eligible for an annual pension of at least $1.1 million, precisely 
what the company promised in his contract when he joined eight years ago. As 
part of a 1999 cost-cutting program, however, many I.B.M. employees are set 
to receive smaller pensions and retirement health insurance benefits than 
they were promised when they were hired.

Such contrasts have become the norm over the last two decades, as the United 
States has increasingly developed a two-tier pension system. Companies 
seeking to increase profits have cut retirement benefits, leaving many 
members of the baby boom generation unprepared for life after age 65 despite 
the long bull market, economists say.

[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/05/business/05PENS.html]

Carl



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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Doug Henwood

Sabri Oncu wrote:

Don't forget that this is not just a temporal/historical but also
a spatial/geographical system Even at times of capitalist booms,
although the boom lifts some boats in certain locations, other
boats sink in certain other locations I would say whether you
appreciate or hate the fact that capitalism often produces
greats booms depends on your location And it should have been
clear by now that I hate these booms whereas you sometimes appear
as appreciating them

I'd said:

It's awful, but I guess it beats slavery or feudalism But it's also 
a deeply contradictory system, producing wealth and possibility 
alongside poverty and oppression

Doug