Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Dennis R Redmond

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Brad De Long wrote:

> There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are 
> supposed to aim for...

It worked for that icon of global competitiveness otherwise known as
Singapore, didn't it? 

-- Dennis




Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman

I think answering this question would be fruitless.  We have been over
that before quite a few times.

Brad De Long wrote:

> >  >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
> >>
> >  >Doug
> >
> >...most of all, revolutionary Cuba
> >
> >Louis Proyect
> >
>
> There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are
> supposed to aim for...
>
> Right.
>
> Brad DeLong

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Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Charles Brown



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/00 02:16PM >>>
>  >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
>>
>  >Doug
>
>...most of all, revolutionary Cuba
>
>Louis Proyect
>

There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are 
supposed to aim for...

))

CB: But it is a big improvement over your model of 220 years of war, genocide, 
slavery, racism, imperialism, male supremacy and dictatorship.




Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Louis Proyect

>There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are 
>supposed to aim for...
>
>Right.
>
>
>Brad DeLong

For North Americans? Heavens no. But for other countries in the Caribbean.
YES. Here's an excerpt from a profile on Paul Farmer in last week's New
Yorker Magazine. Farmer is a trained physician and anthropologist who runs
a hospital in the deeply poverty-stricken central highlands of Haiti. Out
of his experiences there, he has written two powerful books: "The Uses of
Haiti" and "Infections and Inequality". Here is a brief excerpt from the
article:

===

Leaving Haiti, Farmer didn't stare down through the airplane window at that
brown and barren third of an island. "It bothers me even to look at it," he
explained, glancing out. "It can't support eight million people, and there
they are. There they are, kidnapped from West Africa."

But when we descended toward Havana he gazed out the window intently,
making exclamations: "Only ninety miles from Haiti, and look! Trees! Crops!
It's all so verdant. At the height of the dry season! The same ecology as
Haiti's, and look!"

An American who finds anything good to say about Cuba under Castro runs the
risk of being labelled a Communist stooge, and Farmer is fond of Cuba. But
not for ideological reasons. He says he distrusts all ideologies, including
his own. "It's an 'ology,' after all," he wrote to me once, about
liberation theology. "And all ologies fail us at some point." Cuba was a
great relief to me. Paved roads and old American cars, instead of litters
on the gwo wout ia. Cuba had food rationing and allotments of coffee
adulterated with ground peas, but no starvation, no enforced malnutrition.
I noticed groups of prostitutes on one main road, and housing projects in
need of repair and paint, like most buildings in the city. But I still had
in mind the howling slums of Port-au-Prince, and Cuba looked lovely to me.
What looked loveliest to Farmer was its public-health statistics.

Many things affect a public's health, of course-nutrition and
transportation, crime and housing, pest control and sanitation, as well as
medicine. In Cuba, life expectancies are among the highest in the world.
Diseases endemic to Haiti, such as malaria, dengue fever, t.b., and AIDS,
are rare. Cuba was training medical students gratis from all over Latin
America, and exporting doctors gratis- nearly a thousand to Haiti, two en
route just now to Zanmi Lasante. In the midst of the hard times that came
when the Soviet Union dissolved, the government actually increased its
spending on health care. By American standards, Cuban doctors lack
equipment, and are very poorly paid, but they are generally well trained.
At the moment, Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other country in
the world-more than twice as many as the United States. "I can sleep here,"
Farmer said when we got to our hotel. "Everyone here has a doctor."

Farmer gave two talks at the conference, one on Haiti, the other on "the
noxious synergy" between H.I.V. and t.b.-an active case of one often makes
a latent case of the other active, too. He worked on a grant proposal to
get anti-retroviral medicines for Cange, and at the conference met a woman
who could help. She was in charge of the United Nations' project on AIDS in
the Caribbean. He lobbied her over several days. Finally, she said, "O.K.,
let's make it happen." ("Can I give you a kiss?" Farmer asked. "Can I give
you two?") And an old friend, Dr. Jorge Perez, arranged a private meeting
between Farmer and the Secretary of Cuba's Council of State, Dr. José Miyar
Barruecos. Farmer asked him if he could send two youths from Cange to Cuban
medical school. "Of course," the Secretary replied.

Again and again during our stay, Farmer marvelled at the warmth with which
the Cubans received him. What did I think accounted for this?

I said I imagined they liked his connection to Harvard, his published
attacks on American foreign policy in Latin America, his admiration of
Cuban medicine.

I looked up and found his pale-blue eyes fixed on me. "I think it's because
of Haiti," he declared. "I think it's because I serve the poor."


Louis Proyect

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Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Brad De Long

>  >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
>>
>  >Doug
>
>...most of all, revolutionary Cuba
>
>Louis Proyect
>

There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are 
supposed to aim for...

Right.


Brad DeLong




Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-12 Thread Jim Devine

I wrote:
><< Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, 
>one  responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the 
>2nd &  3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist Marxism. But 
>combining  Marxist propositions with the narrow-minded method of orthodox 
>mainstream  social science was like mixing oil and water, so the two 
>parted. I guess  the exception would be people like Bob Brenner, who as an 
>historian is  always focused on the empirical world and so didn't get lost 
>in mainstream  social science. (Of course, I can't say I agree with 
>everything he says).  >>

Justin asks:
>What about Erik Wright? David Schweickart? Or even me, in my own small, 
>narrowminded way?

I can't say I've done a literature survey of Wright's work, but I thought 
that his early Poulantzas-influenced stuff on class was better than his 
Roemer-influenced stuff. But I can't criticize him since his journal, 
POLITICS & SOCIETY just published one of my screeds.

Schwiekart's work is interesting, though I think that leftists should try 
to develop non-market systems for organizing socialism. "Market socialism" 
should be seen as at best a necessary evil as part of the transition, since 
markets distort democracy.

And I'm not as familiar with Schwartz's work as I should be, especially 
since there's someone on the list who can slap me down if I make any kind 
of mistake in representing his work.

In any event, Justin himself had said that Anal. Marxism was something in 
the past, a party that had ended. I was simply taking that as the premise 
and then sketching why I think that happened.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine