Re: Re: Re: essentialism (fwd)

2000-05-17 Thread md7148


actually, you are describing yourself, since you "misrepresented" the
marxist position as built upon false dichotomies like biological versus
cultural determinism.

marxist position is not essentialist. it is dialectial and dynamic,which
is what makes it a very "enlightenment" thinking..

Mine


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[PEN-L:19126] Re: Re: Re: essentialis At 01:58 PM 5/17/00 -0400, you
wrote:   I did not find the discussion enlightening, but I had the same
question  Rod had about the use of the term "essentialism."

since those who regularly employ the term "essentialism" are 
anti-Enlightenment, should it be a surprise that their discussion isn't 
enlightening?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Re: Re: Re: essentialism (fwd)

2000-05-17 Thread Brad De Long


since those who regularly employ the term "essentialism" are
anti-Enlightenment, should it be a surprise that their discussion isn't
enlightening?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine

ROFLOL...




Re: Re: Re: Re: essentialism (fwd)

2000-05-17 Thread Jim Devine

In response to Justin's comment, I made the following joke: since those 
who regularly employ the term "essentialism" are anti-Enlightenment, should 
it be a surprise that their discussion isn't enlightening?

responding to this, Mine wrote:
actually, you are describing yourself, since you "misrepresented" the 
marxist position as built upon false dichotomies like biological versus 
cultural determinism.

I don't understand why the word "misrepresented" is in quotation marks.

I didn't know that one could refer to "the marxist position" as if all 
Marxists had exactly the same position on this issue -- or any other. 
Marxism isn't a dogma, a bunch of formulas, or a catechism. Rather, it's a 
debate (though there are important agreements amongst Marxists).

I didn't apply a "dichotomy" between biological vs. cultural determinism, 
because there are other alternatives, including a dialectical and dynamic 
view of the sort I would advocate.

Are you trying to insult me?

marxist position is not essentialist. it is dialectial and dynamic,which 
is what makes it a very "enlightenment" thinking..

That's easy to say, but hard to actually do. I was trying to start to 
develop that view.

The connection between Marx and the Enlightenment is complex. He learned a 
lot from Kant (et al.) but also was quite critical of the Enlightenment 
perspective. He added to (and subtracted from) the Enlightenment 
perspective(s).

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine