Re: Re: shit hits fan

[Doyle Saylor]

Greetings Economists,
Personally I organize amongst Bisexuals through the local magazine,
Anything that Moves.  I organize at work amongst admin which is the work I
do (entry level FTE's).  I work in the African American Community in
whatever way I can.  I organize in the disabled community around web access
issues, and around cognitive disabilites.

Also I think electronic tools of communication point at new ways of
understanding organizing people.  So I try here (pen-l) to put out what I
think about the structure of the business of "knowledge production in IT"
and see what sort of response that happens.  I think the capitalist theories
of "Community of Practice" and "Communities of Interest" are very
interesting in the sense they look at  knowledge production and management
more explicitly than does the left so far.

It seems to me the recession is pointing toward a crash economically,
and that electronic forms of organizing offer very fast new ways of
organizing to respond to an economic crisis.  So I think that is an
important area to concentrate upon building up socialist organization of the
masses.  Both in terms offered by news outlet of networks of left minded
people , and as a new way to organize connection itself in the sense that
distance does not matter.
thanks,
Doyle

Re: Re: Re: shit hits fan

[Rob Schaap]

GF'day Jim,

> Who was it who asked how many divisions the Pope had, when the latter > criticized 
>him? (I wish I knew: our Internet connection is on the > fritz.)

Nevertheless, the Pope leads 1-0 as I write ...

Cheers,
Rob.

Re: Re: Re: shit hits fan

[Michael Pugliese]

... What will the Pope think about Eastern European Catholics being
controlled by atheistic
communists?" Stalin responded, "How many divisions does the Pope have?". ...
www.psych.org/pnews/99-08-06/blood.html - 2k

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:14745] Re: Re: shit hits fan


> At 04:05 AM 7/7/01 +, you wrote:
> >the neoliberals proved thirty years ago how quickly a well
> >organised bunch of radical upstarts can scale the heights of conventional
> >wisdom ... and even if your predictions and prescriptions are empirically
> >falsified from the off, the punters'll just go right on  believing you -
for,
> >oh, thirty years or so.
>
> of course, the neoliberals had the power of major factions of capital
> behind them, especially after 1974 or so. Who was it who asked how many
> divisions the Pope had, when the latter criticized him? (I wish I knew:
our
> Internet connection is on the fritz.)
>
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
>

Re: Re: shit hits fan

[Jim Devine]

At 04:05 AM 7/7/01 +, you wrote:
>the neoliberals proved thirty years ago how quickly a well
>organised bunch of radical upstarts can scale the heights of conventional
>wisdom ... and even if your predictions and prescriptions are empirically
>falsified from the off, the punters'll just go right on  believing you - for,
>oh, thirty years or so.

of course, the neoliberals had the power of major factions of capital 
behind them, especially after 1974 or so. Who was it who asked how many 
divisions the Pope had, when the latter criticized him? (I wish I knew: our 
Internet connection is on the fritz.)

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Re: shit hits fan

[Ian Murray]

- Original Message -
From: "Rob Schaap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:14743] Re: shit hits fan

> I think the list should ring around the media outlets and present
itself as a
> pundit pool.  If this becomes half the mess it could be (ie if the
credit
> crunch hits), there'll be lotsa media demand for anyone with a PhD
in
> disagreeing with the suits who talked us into all this.
==

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