Re: the Titanic
Date sent: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:32:23 EST Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: the Titanic In a message dated 98-02-24 12:12:01 EST, you write: The character Rose as a metaphor for all the women who are told that the ultimate and pinnacle of achievement is to become an ornament of some rich scum and who seek self-actualization and independence in a system that commodifies everything and turns people into things/commodities and things into personifications and power structures into "the natural/eternal order of things." Jim Craven shit, you mean i shouldn't try and find a rich husband? maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Response: Well, with a divorce rate of 50% and climing, and the fact that the rich scum like that in the movie have expensive lawyers who write airtight and highly restrictive pre-nuptials, probably the odds are better in Vegas. ;-). Or, "a woman without a rich man is like a fish without a bicycle"? Jim Craven *---* * "In the development of productive * * James Craven forces there comes a stage when * * Dept of Economics productive forces and means of inter- * * Clark College course are brought into being which * * 1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd. under the existing relations only * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 cause mischief, and are no longer * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] productive but 'destructive' forces. * * (360) 992-2283 (Office)...individuals must appropriate the * * (360) 992-2863 (Fax) existing totality of productive forces* * not only to achieve self-activity,but,* * also, merely to safeguard their very * * existence." (Karl Marx) * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *
Re: the Titanic
In a message dated 98-02-24 12:12:01 EST, you write: The character Rose as a metaphor for all the women who are told that the ultimate and pinnacle of achievement is to become an ornament of some rich scum and who seek self-actualization and independence in a system that commodifies everything and turns people into things/commodities and things into personifications and power structures into "the natural/eternal order of things." Jim Craven shit, you mean i shouldn't try and find a rich husband? maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the Titanic
OK how about Faustus? To add to the Titanic Metaphor list: The character Rose as a metaphor for all the women who are told that the ultimate and pinnacle of achievement is to become an ornament of some rich scum and who seek self-actualization and independence in a system that commodifies everything and turns people into things/commodities and things into personifications and power structures into "the natural/eternal order of things." Jim Craven --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:18:00 -0500 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Fellows, Jeffrey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the Titanic Sisyphus. Jeff Fellows -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the Titanic Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 5:47PM In a message dated 98-02-23 15:57:51 EST, you write: Can anyone think of a better metaphor than the Titanic one? Well, Jim, since you asked, how about Dante's Inferno. An eternity of crises. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* * "In the development of productive * * James Craven forces there comes a stage when * * Dept of Economics productive forces and means of inter- * * Clark College course are brought into being which * * 1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd. under the existing relations only * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 cause mischief, and are no longer * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] productive but 'destructive' forces. * * (360) 992-2283 (Office)...individuals must appropriate the * * (360) 992-2863 (Fax) existing totality of productive forces* * not only to achieve self-activity,but,* * also, merely to safeguard their very * * existence." (Karl Marx) * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *
Re: the Titanic
Sisyphus. Jeff Fellows -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the Titanic Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 5:47PM In a message dated 98-02-23 15:57:51 EST, you write: Can anyone think of a better metaphor than the Titanic one? Well, Jim, since you asked, how about Dante's Inferno. An eternity of crises. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the Titanic
On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, James Devine wrote: Can anyone think of a better metaphor than the Titanic one? How about all those Spaceship Earth metaphors, i.e. a more eco-leaning Titanicity, where we're all supposed to be our own deck chairs? They're still kind of incomplete, because spaceships are basically manufactured satellites, is all, and it's hard to epitomize world history with a few microships and solar panels from Raytheon. Late multinational capitalism is just so unliterary. -- Dennis
Re: the Titanic
In a message dated 98-02-23 15:57:51 EST, you write: Can anyone think of a better metaphor than the Titanic one? Well, Jim, since you asked, how about Dante's Inferno. An eternity of crises. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the Titanic
Here's Phil Ochs' definition of liberalism, from back in the day: As for a short aphorism about the future of capitalism (rather than a metaphor), how about "Socialism or Barbarism." I think that's usually credited to Rosa Luxemburg. http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs Love Me, I'm a Liberal By Phil Ochs C I cried when they shot Medgar Evers Am Tears ran down my spine C I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy D G As though I'd lost a father of mine C But Malcolm X got what was coming F He got what he asked for this time C FC G C F C So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I go to civil rights rallies And I put down the old D.A.R. I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy I hope every colored boy becomes a star But don't talk about revolution That's going a little bit too far So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I cheered when Humphrey was chosen My faith in the system restored I'm glad the commies were thrown out of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board I love Puerto Ricans and Negros as long as they don't move next door So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal The people of old Mississippi Should all hang their heads in shame I can't understand how their minds work What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain? But if you ask me to bus my children I hope the cops take down your name So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I read New republic and Nation I've learned to take every view You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden I feel like I'm almost a Jew But when it comes to times like korea There's no one more red, white and blue So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I vote for the democtratic party They want the U.N. to be strong I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts He sure gets me singing those songs I'll send all the money you ask for But don't ask me to come on along So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal Once I was young and impulsive I wore every conceivable pin Even went to the socialist meetings Learned all the old union hymns But I've grown older and wiser And that's why I'm turning you in So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal Notes: Lerner Golden were both columnists with left-leaning tendencies. Harry Golden, a humorist, wrote some marvelous books and short stories. One I recall is his plan for integration in schools in the south (this was back when). Since the Southerners didn't mind blacks standing next to whites when making purchases in stores, he proposed that they take out all the chairs in the schools and let the students stand to learn. He called this "vertical integration". Les Crane had a talk show in the south. (Nothing virulent like the current ones!) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon did a cover of this song with some updated lyrics. Mojo Nixon sang this updated version solo on Comedy Central during their 1996 State of the Union show. Chords supplied by Guy Matz 6 Jul 97 trent -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Michael Pearlman email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] J.R. Masterman School [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17th and Spring Garden Sts.fax: (215) 299-3581 Philadelphia PA 19130phone: (215) 299-3583 (215) 299-3583/299-4661 Money for Schools, not Prisons!Hasta la victoria siempre! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
