Re: Reason, Abu-Lughod

1997-10-30 Thread Bill Burgess


On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Ricardo Duchesne wrote:

 This statement is both wrong in fact and theory. The Gulag was a 
 creation of Stalin, whose ascendancy to power was made 
 possible, to a large degree, by Lenin's creation of a 
 highly centralized political party - as Trotsky had predicted back 
 in 1903. (Yes, I know about the letters. But up until them,  Lenin 
 relied, without much complaint, on  Stalin's hard, merciless, callous 
 political methods. 

What "hard, merciless, callous, political methods" did Stalin
practice while Lenin was still alive? Accepting the land
policy of the majority party among peasants (SRs) and welcoming them into
the government? Bending over backwards to maintain the support of peasants
(the NEP)? Upholding the right of national self-determination? Were there
any "confessions" by German agents who had managed to worm their way into
the Party' leading bodies while pretending to be revolutionaries for
several decades?

Bill Burgess 






Re: Reason, Abu-Lughod

1997-10-30 Thread Ricardo Duchesne

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Project writes:
 
 The real culprit in all this teleological
 totalitarianism was not Marx, nor Hegel. Nor the Enlightenment thinkers
 before Hegel. Nor Descartes who got the whole totalitarian rational-thought
 campaign going. You have to go back to Plato who put  Reason on a pedestal
 and started the mechanisms that led to the Gulag Archipelago.


This statement is both wrong in fact and theory. The Gulag was a 
creation of Stalin, whose ascendancy to power was made 
possible, to a large degree, by Lenin's creation of a 
highly centralized political party - as Trotsky had predicted back 
in 1903. (Yes, I know about the letters. But up until them,  Lenin 
relied, without much complaint, on  Stalin's hard, merciless, callous 
political methods. 

Wrong in theory because it makes no sense 
for a Marxist to hold a philosopher responsible for a major 
historical happening like totalitarianism. Project is adopting an 
idealist position in line with Platonism by holding "Reason" 
responsible for totalitarianism!   


Project:

 Marx was wrong in adopting the Asiatic Mode of Production as the key to
 explaining British domination over India, China et al. More recent research
 puts the rest of the world on roughly the same level as Western Europe
 prior to the age of colonialism. I especially recommend Janet Abu-Lughod's
 "Before European Hegemony 1250-1350". What Marx did say about India is not
 simply that capitalism was going to civilize the barbaric Indians. He
 thought that capitalism was revolutionizing the means of production, but
 that genuine PROGRESS was achievable only through socialism. The 2nd
 International enshrined the view that Great Britain was "civilizing" India,
 but Marx's writings tended to have much more tension around the question of
 the British role.


Without downplaying the scholarly merits of Abu-Lughod's book - a book 
whose views are consistent with Ajit's critique of the AMP - I don't 
think she ever convincingly demonstrates that Europe was merely on the 
same economic level as Asia. But I am ran out of time now, so 
that's all I can say. ricardo







 
 There have been attempts by the Analytical Marxists to breathe new life
 into the British "civilizing" mission thesis, especially from John Roemer:
 
 "There are, in the Marxist reading of history, many examples of the
 implementation of regimes entailing dynamically socially necessary
 exploitation, which brought about an inferior income-leisure bundle for the
 direct producers... Marx approved of the British conquest of India, despite
 the misery it brought to the direct producers, because of its role in
 developing the productive forces. Thus, the contention is proletarians in
 India would have been better off, statically, in the alternative without
 imperialist interference, but dynamically British imperialist exploitation
 was socially necessary to bring about the development of the productive
 forces, eventually improving the income-leisure bundles of the producers
 (or their children) over what they would have been."
 
 The following paragraph in Marx's 1853 article, "The Future Results of
 British Rule in India", presents a more richly dialectical presentation of
 the possibilities India faced after England's conquest. 
 
 "All the English bourgeoisie may be forced to do will neither emancipate
 nor materially mend the social condition of the mass of the people,
 depending not only on the development of the productive powers, but on
 their appropriation by the people. But what will they not fail to do is lay
 down the material premises for both. Has the bourgeoisie ever done more?
 Has it ever effected a progress without dragging individuals and people
 through blood and dirt, through misery and degradation.
 
 "The Indians will not reap the fruits of the new elements of society
 scattered among them by the British bourgeoisie, till in Great Britain
 itself the now ruling classes shall have been supplanted by the industrial
 proletariat, or till the Hindus themselves shall have grown strong enough
 to throw off the English yoke altogether."
 
 What could be clearer? Marx adds an enormous proviso when he talks about
 the "progress" that capitalism brings. Unless there is socialist
 revolution, capitalism has done nothing except revolutionize the means of
 production. This has nothing to do with the ameliorative scenarios
 developed by Oxford dons like G.A. Cohen and John Roemer.
 
 Marx's understanding of the problems facing India under colonial rule,
 while flawed, are by no means like the imperialist apologetics found in
 "economist" readings. Marx was for socialism, not telegraphs, railways and
 smokestacks.
 
 Louis Proyect