Re: The Economist considers Karl Marx new ref # 33305

[Sabri Oncu]

Doyle Sailor wrote:

 Let's talk about loose marbles.  Two groups of e
 people were churned by economic necessity, African
 Americans during WWII to move to California, and from
 Mexico and South America Latinos also being forced to
 California.

This is unfair. How about Turks being forced to California by
economic necessity. Do I sense some racist tones here?

 Loose marbles is certainly a common expression for being
 insane in most English speaking peoples minds.

Luckily, I am not an English speaking person, though I can speak
some English too, so loose marbles sounds good to me. Indeed, I
am proud to be one.

 So too those who immigrate for economic reasons are
 vulnerable to the charge of being of no value because
 they had to leave their homes to make a living elsewhere.

Thanks for defending me and my likes. I tell you, I hate every
second spend in this weird country of lonely people. Did you know
that the very first letter I wrote to my best friend one week
after I arrived in North America diagnosed the main problem of
North Americans as this:

These people suffer from serious loneliness. They are extremely
lonely. No wonder most of them are not stable.

I still hold the same view after sixteen years.

Best,

Sabri

Re: The Economist considers Karl Marx new ref # 33305

[Doyle Saylor]

Greetings Economists,
Jim Devine writes,
FWIW, I wasn't knocking lunatics. I don't think the division between
lunatics and normal people really exists. Further, lunacy and genius
go hand in hand. 

Jim in RI

Doyle
I'm well aware you struggle with me about what you mean when you use words
that sound like a disability shapes your comment.  Like I wrote before I've
been known to use exactly the same sort of characterizations.  Something or
somebody is crazy.  I'm sure if given a chance in some appropriate regime
you would strongly advocate for a society that represents socialist values
toward health etc.  You are trying as above to find a way to make clear
where your real values are.

Let's talk about loose marbles.  Two groups of people were churned by
economic necessity, African Americans during WWII to move to California, and
from Mexico and South America Latinos also being forced to California.
Loose marbles is certainly a common expression for being insane in most
English speaking peoples minds.  So too those who immigrate for economic
reasons are vulnerable to the charge of being of no value because they had
to leave their homes to make a living elsewhere.  There is no way I
disparage those peoples who work hard in severe oppressive conditions for
relocating here.  They are not in any way 'loose' marbles in the head,
heart, feet, minds, hands, persons, etc.

Socialism is for the 'whole' working class.  It's power derives from unity.
From the complex job of uniting everyone.  I want it to be clear that we
welcome disabled people into Socialism.  That the left is about liberation
for all the working class.  Idle words that seem to make disability the
problem are not what Socialism is about.  Nor is being correct here what
Socialism is about.  Rather I am raising my understanding of what I read
here to build a bridge of understanding both to you, and about Disability
rights for all.  
Thanks,
Doyle Saylor