Re: Moore vs. Cockburn

1997-11-19 Thread Doug Henwood

Terrence  Mc Donough wrote:

Speaking of popular culture and the children of Claude Cockburn: I
saw The Peacemaker yesterday and Leslie and Andrew Cockburn's names
featured prominently in the credits.  Does anyone know the story
behind their participation in this run-of-the-mill but deeply
reactionary piece of popular culture?

They wrote the book on which it is "based," One Point Safe. One of the
network news magazines did a segment on it too. They've hit a multimedia
home run with this one. The Nation ran what Andrew  Alex (don't know what
Leslie C. thinks) denounced as a vicious piece of sleaze that doubted the
loose nukes story and defended the Russian  U.S. government line.

Doug








Re: Moore vs. Cockburn

1997-11-19 Thread Louis Proyect

There was a bit of a dust-up about it in the pages of the Nation magazine
the other week. A reporter mentioned that their book was the basis for the
film. They angrily replied in a letter that it wasn't their fault. The book
apparently takes up the problem of nuclear weapons floating around the
former USSR and possibly ending up on the black market. The movie takes
this premise and goes berserk.

Louis P.


At 01:26 PM 11/19/97 +, you wrote:
Speaking of popular culture and the children of Claude Cockburn: I 
saw The Peacemaker yesterday and Leslie and Andrew Cockburn's names 
featured prominently in the credits.  Does anyone know the story 
behind their participation in this run-of-the-mill but deeply 
reactionary piece of popular culture?

Terry McDonough








Moore vs. Cockburn

1997-11-19 Thread Terrence Mc Donough

Speaking of popular culture and the children of Claude Cockburn: I 
saw The Peacemaker yesterday and Leslie and Andrew Cockburn's names 
featured prominently in the credits.  Does anyone know the story 
behind their participation in this run-of-the-mill but deeply 
reactionary piece of popular culture?

Terry McDonough





Re: moore vs. cockburn -Reply

1997-11-13 Thread Rakesh Bhandari

Didn't Cockburn defend Moore in the pages of The Nation after he was axed
as editor of Mother Jones because Moore refused to publish an
analysis critical of the Sadinistas? What was the spat between Adam
Hochschild and Michael Moore all about? Didn't Cockburn defend Moore?  I
think I remember something like this. At any rate, there was another good
essay by Katha Pollitt in a recent *Nation* about the degeneration of left
journalism--Mother Jones was featured. So while Cockburn now turns on the
editor he once defended, Pollitt goes after the offending journal. Gotta
love those *Nation* regular columnists. 

Rakesh






moore vs. cockburn -Reply

1997-11-13 Thread JEFF THOMPSON

This line of discussion may be ending/over, but I'll toss in my two cents
anyway.

Perelman wrote

Moore was wrong, I agree, to set Flint vs. Nicaragua as an either or
situation. 


I'm not so sure that Moore is saying that Flint and Nicaragua are an
either or situation.  (I haven't read the piece in the Nation.  I let my sub
expire after getting a solicitation letter from them suggesting that if I was
mad as hell at the right and the left, then I should go wth the independent
voice of the Nation.)

My perceptions come from a talk Moore gave after unveiling his new film
in Portland, OR a few weeks back.  

Immediately after poking fun at non-spanish speaking lefties who
pronounce Nicaragu or Cuba with a thick "spanish" accent, he
admits/claims that he too supported the Sandinistas and travelled to
Nicaragau.  He also say's the he has supported work against the
blockade and was active against the war in Vietnam.

To attack US imperialism and fight for working people in this country is
entirely consistent.  

However... some strategies followed in supporting the Sandinistas can
undermine alliances with workers in this country (as Newall pointed
out).  Also, as Lear has pointed out, some factions on the side of
workers in this country have promoted the destruction of democracy
abroad.

Given this, I don't think the answer is to abandon either issues, and I
don't think that is what Moore is promoting.  The answer is to fight for
both issues in a mutually supportive way.  

Supporting the Sandinistas in ways the tell working people in this
country that the left is against America are less than optimal.  Also, it is
quite possible to fight conservative elements in the labor hierarchy and
be strongly supportive of working people.  
 
The problem is that there is a whole nest of perceptions and often
elitism that can get wrapped up with support of many issues that can
drive a wedge self-identified leftist and workers/the general population. 

If the left is or is perceived by the general public to be academic elitist
snobs that are out of touch with ordinary people, then all issues that are
important to us will suffer.

Moore is one of many who is working over-time to help the left
communicate with people outside the walls of the university.  Both
Hightower and Moore are populists whose message and style can
excite and  convince people to struggle for workers in this country and
across the globe.  Their example should be followed.  

I agree with other people on this list who have written about the
importance of speaking in a language that will resonate and be
understood by ordinary people.  Factionalization and endless bickering
over value theory (regardless of whether or not you are a Marxist) is
not the way to go.