Re: query: "Indian" schools

1998-03-02 Thread James Michael Craven

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> Jim, are those stories all for the US? or do they apply just as well to
> Canada?
> 
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> 
Jim,

They apply to Canada, the US, Hawaii, South America, New Zealand, 
Australia and even among the Nagas in India; the modus operandi are 
often the same among the missionaries as well as among the non-
Aboriginals in dealing with Aboriginals.

I'll put out more later on the subject.

 take care,
 
 Jim

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Re: query: "Indian" schools

1998-03-02 Thread James Devine

Jim, are those stories all for the US? or do they apply just as well to
Canada?

Jim Devine   [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/1997F/ECON/jdevine.html
"Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime." -- Aristotle






Re: query: "Indian" schools

1998-03-02 Thread James Michael Craven

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> I heard a report this morning on (US) NPR about the abuses that many
> Canadian Indians had been subject to in boarding schools sponsored and run
> by the Canadian government and the United Church of Canada. Independent of
> the sexual and physical abuse that was the centerpiece of the story (which
> was about a lawsuit), does anyone know about this program? were Indian
> children forcibly taken from their parents and/or communities? I know they
> were forced to stop speaking their original languages and prevented from
> practicing their cultural rituals. But how were they separated from their
> parents?
> 
> Further, how different is the case of the US, which the NPR story never
> mentioned? The fact that my wife's friends in the Indian community hate the
> idea of "Indian" schools and the fact-based fictional children's movie
> called "The Education of Little Tree" that I saw a while back suggests that
> the similarities between the US and Canadian systems of aggressive
> acculturation are more important than their differences. 
> 
> (I wish I could talk to my wife's friends about this, but she moved on to a
> new job so we see them much more rarely.)
> 
>  
> Jim Devine   [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/1997F/ECON/jdevine.html
> "There's nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine... Been here 4
> 1/2 billion years. We've been here, what a 100,000 years, maybe 200,000.
> And we've only engaged in heavy industry a little over 200 years. 200 years
> vs. 4 1/2 billion. And we have the conceit to think that somehow we're a
> threat? The planet isn't going away. We are."
>  -- George Carlin. 
> 
Response: The reasons and means for taking Indian children varied:

1) Some of the children were products of "liasons" between married 
white men and Indian women and the children were wanted in neither 
world so they were farmed out for adoption (the lighter skinned the 
better);

2) Indian parents were promised a future for their children that the 
parents had no hope of providing;

3) Indian families were split apart by early deaths, abandonment etc 
and the children were sent to boarding schools so that the women 
would have some chance of finding another mate;

4) The missionaries tricked Indians into believing that free 
education was being provided and in the course of signing many 
papers, the parents wound up signing away--for adoption--their 
children through tricky language;

5) Children were placed in religious schools with the promise of 
being trained to work for religious orders (like Nuns and Priests);

6) children were actually physically kidnapped with parents being 
told that their children were dead or about to die from serious 
diseases;

7) Tribes were given token sums to identify children without strong 
family support and those children were taken through false promises 
or just taken after being abandoned;

8) Children, often sent to be with relatives in urban areas--away 
from the reservations--were especially vulnerable to being isolated 
and taken without support from the Tribes on the reservations;

9) Many Indian children were born from midwives on the Reservation 
with no birth certificates issued so that true parentage and custody 
could be easily disputed;

10) The Mormons have this thing about Indians as "The lost Tribes of 
Israel" and for theological reasons were heavily involved in taking, 
adopting out and training Indian children;

These are some of the common stories.

   Jim Craven

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* "In the development of productive * 
*  James Craven   forces there comes a stage when   *
*  Dept of Economics  productive forces and means of inter- *  
*  Clark College  course are brought into being which   *
*  1800 E. Mc Loughlin Blvd.  under the existing relations only * 
*  Vancouver, Wa. 98663   cause mischief, and are no longer *
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  productive but 'destructive' forces.  *  
*  (360) 992-2283 (Office)...individuals must appropriate the   *
*  (360) 992-2863 (Fax)   existing totality of productive forces*
* not only to achieve self-activity,but,*
* also, merely to safeguard their very  *
* existence." (Karl Marx)   *
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query: "Indian" schools

1998-03-02 Thread James Devine

I heard a report this morning on (US) NPR about the abuses that many
Canadian Indians had been subject to in boarding schools sponsored and run
by the Canadian government and the United Church of Canada. Independent of
the sexual and physical abuse that was the centerpiece of the story (which
was about a lawsuit), does anyone know about this program? were Indian
children forcibly taken from their parents and/or communities? I know they
were forced to stop speaking their original languages and prevented from
practicing their cultural rituals. But how were they separated from their
parents?

Further, how different is the case of the US, which the NPR story never
mentioned? The fact that my wife's friends in the Indian community hate the
idea of "Indian" schools and the fact-based fictional children's movie
called "The Education of Little Tree" that I saw a while back suggests that
the similarities between the US and Canadian systems of aggressive
acculturation are more important than their differences. 

(I wish I could talk to my wife's friends about this, but she moved on to a
new job so we see them much more rarely.)

 
Jim Devine   [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/1997F/ECON/jdevine.html
"There's nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine... Been here 4
1/2 billion years. We've been here, what a 100,000 years, maybe 200,000.
And we've only engaged in heavy industry a little over 200 years. 200 years
vs. 4 1/2 billion. And we have the conceit to think that somehow we're a
threat? The planet isn't going away. We are."
 -- George Carlin.