Re: something new/Waldheim
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Re: something new/Waldheim
That's ok, the new governor of California stood by Waldheim even when it became public. Paul wrote: True, although it was probably only a secret from the public. As I recall, after war the Yugoslavs filed a formal complaint against him as a war criminal with the Allied war crimes tribunal (U.S., Soviet, UK, French). Since was he then was a career diplomat being posted to the key capitals rising to Foreign Minister of Austria and since neutral Vienna was the center of Cold War clandestine contact and monitoring for both sides, it is hard to believe that the key players had not worked up many a profile on him long before he was ran for UN Sec Gen. To put things in context, I believe the charges never went beyond being "in the chain of command" for atrocities (I think against partisans and British commandos). Although it was never charged that he actually initiated an atrocity or personally supervised one, it is still a war crime to be participate in the chain of command of one - let us remind people often. At 03:23 PM 12/21/2003 -0800, you wrote: Waldheim was a secret demon. That does not count. On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 05:57:45PM -0500, dmschanoes wrote: > Kurt Waldeheim? > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: [PEN-L] something new??? > > > > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from > > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. > > -- > > Michael Perelman > > Economics Department > > California State University > > Chico, CA 95929 > > > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: something new???
Certainly Putin graduated from being a KGB agent of the Evil Empire to having a beautiful soul or something like that according to Bush..But it may tarnish fast.. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: "andie nachgeborenen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: something new??? > Stalin made it (during the war) and then back. jks > > --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make > > the transition from > > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. > > -- > > Michael Perelman > > Economics Department > > California State University > > Chico, CA 95929 > > > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/
Re: something new/Waldheim
True, although it was probably only a secret from the public. As I recall, after war the Yugoslavs filed a formal complaint against him as a war criminal with the Allied war crimes tribunal (U.S., Soviet, UK, French). Since was he then was a career diplomat being posted to the key capitals rising to Foreign Minister of Austria and since neutral Vienna was the center of Cold War clandestine contact and monitoring for both sides, it is hard to believe that the key players had not worked up many a profile on him long before he was ran for UN Sec Gen. To put things in context, I believe the charges never went beyond being "in the chain of command" for atrocities (I think against partisans and British commandos). Although it was never charged that he actually initiated an atrocity or personally supervised one, it is still a war crime to be participate in the chain of command of one - let us remind people often. At 03:23 PM 12/21/2003 -0800, you wrote: Waldheim was a secret demon. That does not count. On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 05:57:45PM -0500, dmschanoes wrote: > Kurt Waldeheim? > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: [PEN-L] something new??? > > > > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from > > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. > > -- > > Michael Perelman > > Economics Department > > California State University > > Chico, CA 95929 > > > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: something new???
Waldheim was a secret demon. That does not count. On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 05:57:45PM -0500, dmschanoes wrote: > Kurt Waldeheim? > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: [PEN-L] something new??? > > > > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from > > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. > > -- > > Michael Perelman > > Economics Department > > California State University > > Chico, CA 95929 > > > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: something new???
From: "Michael Perelman" > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. Stalin in 1941-45? And then back to demon again.
Re: something new???
Kurt Waldeheim? - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: [PEN-L] something new??? > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: something new???
Stalin made it (during the war) and then back. jks --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make > the transition from > demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
something new???
Is Qadhafi the first person in US history to make the transition from demon to statesman? Usually, it goes the other way. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
