Re: the Democrats are dead?

1994-11-30 Thread HEATHER GROB

Doesn't anyone think that this time will give the Dems a chance to revitalize,
especially if some common ground is found among public interest groups?
Environmental and health and safety issues would be rather important to this
aim.

Heather Grob



Re: the Democrats are dead?

1994-11-30 Thread Samuel G. Pooley

Perhaps some additional questions are, what is the theoretical structure 
the Republicans (Gingrich) will use in trying to turn Congress into an 
executive body (presumably the Cato Foundation and the Heritage 
Foundation have published on this topic), and what kind of political 
science framework do the Democrats have to reinvent themselves?

Inquiring minds want to know but this mind doesn't know.

Sam Pooley




Re: the Democrats are dead?

1994-11-30 Thread JDCASE

   I believe that the "political science framework" of the Democratic
Party rests on the viability of the ddd"welfare state" much as the 
right wing has chjarged. The big business groupings that under Roosevelt
were convinced to suppport the welfare state, and under the pressure
of the multitudes of millions gave ground to progressive social legis-
lation, have either been weakened or have changed their minds. The "wel-
fare state" as such was neverr the demand of the powerful workers' movements
of the thirties. And it is arguable, in hindsight, that the form of the
concesdsions of unemployment insurance, welfare, legalization of unions,
and social security in some cases permitted these concessions to be turned
against the movements.
 In any event, there seems to be "bipartisan" support for abolishing
much of the welfare system. I can't imagine the real consequences of this
move. Clearly some who had no incentive to work for minimum wage jobs with
no health insurance, will now be compelled to do so. But many will be
turned even more desperately than now toward criminal activity. Prisons
are state and federal budget busters, so I fear there must be plans afoot
in the backrooms of the Heritage foundation to shoot a lot of people, or make
them otherwise disappear. "Bipartisan" implies to me that there is 
big business, multi-national corporation consensus. 
The New York Times and the Washington Post, the LA Times and the
Philadelphia Inquirer have mad harsh criticisms of Gingrich and Co on
the "welfare state" question since the election. These media, for all
of Rush Limbaugh's talk about them being nests of liberalism, have for
a long time been mouthpieces for powerful sections of big business. These
interests must be fearful of the social consequences of abandoning Keynes,
or perhaps they have longer memories and recall the social cataclysms of
the thirties that the New Deal was designed to forestall. But the public,
including the working class, will not be won to support tax increases if
they aren't getting wage increases, which they are not. 
To win the "traditional coalition" back means doing some things that
big business liberalism is not inclined to do even under pressure and 
never initiate: liberalize worker self organization restraints.
So I believe the Democrats will be forced to wait inthe wings for
the Republican juggernaut to pass or become exposed again.  If disaster
looms, they will not be able to prevent it.
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Re: the Democrats are dead?

1994-11-30 Thread Ellen Dannin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

I keep thinking that one day the Dems will wake up, but every time I turn 
on the news and hear them talking, the words coming out of their mouths 
convince me otherwise.  It's hard not to feel a sense of despair about 
all of this.

The only way I can think of to move the Dems is to convince them that 
they could win power by appealing to the folks who were not voting this 
past election.  The only way to convince them of that is to convince the 
nonvoters that it is worthwhile making the Dems think they damn well will 
vote next time.

Otherwise, the Dems are jsut going to keep scrabbling after the same 
folks the Reps are, and the Reps are so much better at being Republicans 
and appealing to those folks.  How do you make people shake of cynicism 
and despair and get active?  I do not support the value of the 
immiseration of the masses, but it may be that the Reps will gore enough 
oxes (a la the reaction to Prop.187 by those potentially harmed by it 
here in California) that they will decide to act.

Having lots of school kids rise up and protest is heartening.  They've 
been willing to be outraged once and to dream of better things - maybe 
there is a chance.

It would also be awfully nice to have someone in the Democratic party who 
has vision and can communicate a vision of society to the US.  That would 
take imagination, guts, "a song to sing," etc. etc.  Yeah, there's no hope.

Ellen J. Dannin
California Western School of Law
225 Cedar Street
San Diego, CA  92101
Phone:  619-525-1449
Fax:619-696-



Re: the Democrats are dead?

1994-11-30 Thread Doug Henwood



On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, HEATHER GROB wrote:

 Doesn't anyone think that this time will give the Dems a chance to revitalize,
 especially if some common ground is found among public interest groups?

No. They'll keep doing dumb stuff, lunge for the center-right, and 
marginalize themselves further. They've got a fundamental problem: 
financed by a wing of the bourgeoisie, they nonetheless need the votes of 
what used to be called the working class. To please their paymasters they 
must continually alienate their base. The Republicans may face such a 
contradiction, with their advocacy of free trade and their dependence on 
the vote of working class white men, but so far they've been able to 
paper over this issue through appeals to bigotry.

 Environmental and health and safety issues would be rather important to this
 aim.

Yeah. But the paymasters won't like that.

Doug

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