Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 11:05:28AM -0500, Robert wrote: > "Tests let you know, right away, when they're screwed up your code" > > Should be: Tests let you know, right away, when they've screwed up your > code > > or > > Should be: Tests let you know, right away, when they're are screwing up your > code Yep. Except the subject of "they" in there might be confused as "the tests". Probably not though. Only if the statement is left out of context.
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
"Michael G Schwern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 06:28:21PM +, Adrian Howard wrote: >> PS "O'Reilly will have a small book soon" ? > > Oh yeah, that's the developer's testing notebook Ian Langworth and > chromatic > are working on. > On slide 13: "Tests let you know, right away, when they're screwed up your code" Should be: Tests let you know, right away, when they've screwed up your code or Should be: Tests let you know, right away, when they're are screwing up your code
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
On 22 Mar 2005, at 19:11, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 06:28:21PM +, Adrian Howard wrote: I can't believe you didn't stick a reference to the perl-qa list there :-) The audience was not Perl programmers. Primarily Haskell and Java. A few people expressed interest in Perl afterwards but mostly in the form of "so why do you use Perl?" [snip] Ah - sorry. Didn't realise. In that case [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are a couple of other language-agnostic testing lists that I've found very useful. Cheers, Adrian
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 06:28:21PM +, Adrian Howard wrote: > PS "O'Reilly will have a small book soon" ? Oh yeah, that's the developer's testing notebook Ian Langworth and chromatic are working on.
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 06:28:21PM +, Adrian Howard wrote: > I can't believe you didn't stick a reference to the perl-qa list there > :-) The audience was not Perl programmers. Primarily Haskell and Java. A few people expressed interest in Perl afterwards but mostly in the form of "so why do you use Perl?" > My personal list would probably include the following Thanks, this is exactly what I was missing. I recently picked up the Pragmatic JUnit book just so I have something but I haven't read it.
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
On 4 Mar 2005, at 17:15, Michael G Schwern wrote: [snip] There's not nearly enough references, particularly when I expect the audience to go out and work things out on their own. I still can't think of a decent testing book nor tutorial to recommend. Test::Tutorial leaves the reader at a dead end without referencing further works on, say, perl.com. I don't know the JUnit community to recommend anything there. [snip] I can't believe you didn't stick a reference to the perl-qa list there :-) My personal list would probably include the following Online: http://del.icio.us/tag/perl+testing - delicious rocks! www.testdriven.com - General blog/portal/aggregator site on testing. Mostly TDD. Some Perl occasionally. http://www.testingeducation.org/BBST/ - Really excellent online materials on testing - but has a far bigger scope than just developer written automated unit tests. For those considering testing as a career option Offline: I'd put these next two in the "really great books on testing" section. Lessons Learned in Software Testing: A Context Driven Approach, Cem Kaner, James Bach, Brett Pettichord - Very readable book on software testing in general. A collection of hundreds of good practices and tips. Test Driven Development, Kent Beck - Everybody should read it. It's thin too :-) while these are just darn fine Perl Medic, Peter Scott - Has some nice chapters on testing. About the only Perl book currently out there that does AFAIK. Test Driven Development: A Practical Guide, Dave Astels - Nice intro to TDD. Covers various xUnit frameworks in several languages (not Perl unfortunately) Pragmatic Unit Testing In Java with JUnit, Andy Hunt, Dave Thomas - Mostly JUnit, but well written. As long as you can read Java you should be able to take useful stuff away from it. Cheers, Adrian PS "O'Reilly will have a small book soon" ?
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 06:51:41PM -0500, James E Keenan wrote: > Liked the emphasis on version control. Had to learn Subversion as part > of working in Phalanx project -- and had to learn Test::More much > better. Glad I did both. While I tried to keep the talk focused on just testing I found so many good testing techniques crippled without version control. Most folks in the audience, including the professors, were not using VC.
Re: Talk: Why You Really Want To Write Tests
Michael G Schwern wrote: I was asked to give something about testing to an audience of undergraduate informatics students, largely Haskell and maybe some Java. What I finally came up with is this: http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/talks/Why_Test/ Liked the emphasis on version control. Had to learn Subversion as part of working in Phalanx project -- and had to learn Test::More much better. Glad I did both. In slide011.html: :%s/repetetive/repetitive/g jimk
