Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
On 3/22/07, Tim Bunce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to suggest an idea for *someone else* to submit a proposal for: Heh, hoping for someone with tuits to bite, eh? :-) As part of the work on DBI2 I want to create a Perl API that closely matches the JDBC API. I need a tool that can parse the java .h files that that define the JDBC API, e.g., http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/java/sql/Statement.h?revision=120621view=markup and generate roughly equivalent Perl 6 (roles etc). I notice that this file (and all of the others I looked at) say at the top: // DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - it is machine generated -*- c++ -*- So, perhaps it's not the .h files we should be parsing, but whatever source files were used to generate them. Though, of course, some C++-to-Perl6 tool would be a good thing too. :-) -Scott -- Jonathan Scott Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:24:58PM +, Tim Bunce wrote: Here's a related idea: write a tool that reads BNF grammar, such as http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/syntax.html http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/grammars.html and writes a parser in Perl 6 for that grammar. Writing a Perl 6 grammar to parse BNF should not be too hard. Writing an emitter to translate that into a Perl 6 grammar should also not be very hard, though I find emitters harder to write. I'm thinking of an architecture similar to Flavio Glock's MiniPerl6. http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/v6/v6-MiniPerl6/lib/MiniPerl6/ Anyone interested in those ideas? Quite interested, though lacking tuits at the moment. -kolibrie signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
* Tim Bunce wrote in perl.perl6.internals: Here's a related idea: write a tool that reads BNF grammar, such as http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/syntax.html http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/grammars.html and writes a parser in Perl 6 for that grammar. I would be very interested in (using) a tool that reads many types of formal grammars and makes it easy to transform them to other formalisms. I am currently finishing up a free software library that decides any context-free language and the intersection and complement of languages it decides, focused on validation against web standards (is this string a syntactically correct 'mailto' URL, HTTP header value, JSON document, HTML attribute value, etc.) For it to be useful, the grammars for the various specifications need to be in a format my library understands; unfortunately there are very many BNF variants in use (the IETF generally uses its ABNF, the W3C tends to use the EBNF format defined in the XML specification, ...) and my library accepts only its own formalism (an XML format based on RELAX NG, a schema language for XML document validation). Tools that can read these BNF variants into a common object model, or otherwise make it easy to convert one formalism into another would be the main missing link to put my library into practical use in tools like http://validator.w3.org/. So work on the first half of the problem above would be very welcome. My plan is in principle to make my formalism sufficiently powerful so that all these BNF variants can be mapped 1:1 to it; then get people to extract and convert the grammars in the various specifications, and put them in some repository. From there on, using them for other formalisms like Perl 6 Rules would start with simple tree transformations rather than writing another parser (or at least comperatively simple, if you are bad at writing parsers like I am). -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Weinh. Str. 22 · Telefon: +49(0)621/4309674 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 68309 Mannheim · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/
Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:29PM -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program. Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard, representing The Perl Foundation's grants committee, will work with me to select proposals and evaluate project success. We'll be making USD500 grants to worthy Perl 6 related efforts. We're hoping to fund a range of Perl 6-related projects over the life of the grant program. Accepted grants might be for coding, documentation, testing or even writing articles about Perl 6. The program isn't tied to any one implementation of Perl 6 -- We're interested in seeing proposals related to Pugs, Perl 6 on Parrot, Perl 6 on Perl 5 or any other Perl 6 implementation. Generally, we're interested in seeing projects that can be completed in 4-6 calendar weeks. Submitting a grant proposal --- To submit a grant proposal, please email us at perl6- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: * A two to three paragraph summary of the work you intend to do * A quick bio - Who are you? Is there opensource work you've done that we should have a look at? * A brief description of what success will mean for your project - How will we know you're done? * Where (if anywhere) you've discussed your project in the past * Where you'll be blogging about your progress. (Twice-weekly blog posts are a requirement for getting your grant money) We'll be accepting proposals on a rolling schedule. We expect to pay out these first 10 grants over the course of the summer. Depending on how things go, we'll then either find more money for more grant programs or we'll wind up the program and move on to other endeavors. We're really excited to get rolling. Submit your proposals early and often. Don't let somebody else beat you to the punch ;) I'd like to suggest an idea for *someone else* to submit a proposal for: As part of the work on DBI2 I want to create a Perl API that closely matches the JDBC API. I need a tool that can parse the java .h files that that define the JDBC API, e.g., http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/java/sql/Statement.h?revision=120621view=markup and generate roughly equivalent Perl 6 (roles etc). Some knowledge of Java would be helpful to get a reasonable initial mapping of concepts from Java to Perl, but that's bound to evolve over time - hence the need for a tool to do, and redo, the translation. [ I'd probably then use the tool to also generate implementation code that bridges the Perl6 JDBC with the Perl5 JDBC module on CPAN. That would give Perl6 a working JDBC API. (The next step might be to parse the Java code of the JDBC test suite and translate that to Perl6...) ] There are two parts to this: a Java parser (good enough for at least the JDBC .h files), and a Perl6 code (role) generator. They could be combined, but I'd like the Java parser to be reusable by others. Here's a related idea: write a tool that reads BNF grammar, such as http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/syntax.html http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/grammars.html and writes a parser in Perl 6 for that grammar. Anyone interested in those ideas? Tim. p.s. The .h files for JDBC can be found here http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/java/sql/ http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/javax/sql/ p.p.s. The funding for these could come from the DBI Development fund (which hasn't been used for anything yet) and so not impact the donation from Best Practical Solutions.
Re: Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
I am very interested in this. I've done a little bit of work like this in the past, for projects like Java::Swing which is a thin Inline::Java facade for coding swing UI front ends in what appears to be pure Perl. But, your plan is more intense. In particular it is more intense than $500. So, are there others that would work with me? Phil Tim Bunce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:29PM -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote: I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program. Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard, representing The Perl Foundation's grants committee, will work with me to select proposals and evaluate project success. We'll be making USD500 grants to worthy Perl 6 related efforts. We're hoping to fund a range of Perl 6-related projects over the life of the grant program. Accepted grants might be for coding, documentation, testing or even writing articles about Perl 6. The program isn't tied to any one implementation of Perl 6 -- We're interested in seeing proposals related to Pugs, Perl 6 on Parrot, Perl 6 on Perl 5 or any other Perl 6 implementation. Generally, we're interested in seeing projects that can be completed in 4-6 calendar weeks. Submitting a grant proposal --- To submit a grant proposal, please email us at perl6- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: * A two to three paragraph summary of the work you intend to do * A quick bio - Who are you? Is there opensource work you've done that we should have a look at? * A brief description of what success will mean for your project - How will we know you're done? * Where (if anywhere) you've discussed your project in the past * Where you'll be blogging about your progress. (Twice-weekly blog posts are a requirement for getting your grant money) We'll be accepting proposals on a rolling schedule. We expect to pay out these first 10 grants over the course of the summer. Depending on how things go, we'll then either find more money for more grant programs or we'll wind up the program and move on to other endeavors. We're really excited to get rolling. Submit your proposals early and often. Don't let somebody else beat you to the punch ;) I'd like to suggest an idea for *someone else* to submit a proposal for: As part of the work on DBI2 I want to create a Perl API that closely matches the JDBC API. I need a tool that can parse the java .h files that that define the JDBC API, e.g., http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/java/sql/Statement.h?revision=120621view=markup and generate roughly equivalent Perl 6 (roles etc). Some knowledge of Java would be helpful to get a reasonable initial mapping of concepts from Java to Perl, but that's bound to evolve over time - hence the need for a tool to do, and redo, the translation. [ I'd probably then use the tool to also generate implementation code that bridges the Perl6 JDBC with the Perl5 JDBC module on CPAN. That would give Perl6 a working JDBC API. (The next step might be to parse the Java code of the JDBC test suite and translate that to Perl6...) ] There are two parts to this: a Java parser (good enough for at least the JDBC .h files), and a Perl6 code (role) generator. They could be combined, but I'd like the Java parser to be reusable by others. Here's a related idea: write a tool that reads BNF grammar, such as http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/syntax.html http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/grammars.html and writes a parser in Perl 6 for that grammar. Anyone interested in those ideas? Tim. p.s. The .h files for JDBC can be found here http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/java/sql/ http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libjava/javax/sql/ p.p.s. The funding for these could come from the DBI Development fund (which hasn't been used for anything yet) and so not impact the donation from Best Practical Solutions.
Re: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
Hi all, I am recently working on the QT4/KDE4 bindings for p5. First cpp headers are parsed by a grammar based on Parse::RecDescent, The production of latest dev release Parse-QTEDI-0.02_01 is quite stable, presenting all related interface information of cpp .h. I will continue to make it available in p5. And myself do have a plan to introduce them in p6. It will be nice if someone can do so in parallel with me (I mean, for p6). Since: 1. my knowledge on p6 sucks ;-) 2. currently I haven't got enough time. PS: It is very glad to see such information, really. In my opinion p6 indeed needs trying to draw as many connections as possible with other outstanding tool/project outside perl world. KDE is such a place too. PS2: my project page: http://code.google.com/p/dongxu/wiki/QTEDI http://code.google.com/p/dongxu/wiki/PerlQT -- Forwarded message -- From: Jesse Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mar 22, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals. To: perl6-internals@perl.org, perl6-language@perl.org, perl6-compiler@perl.org, perl5-porters@perl.org I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program. Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard, representing The Perl Foundation's grants committee, will work with me to select proposals and evaluate project success. We'll be making USD500 grants to worthy Perl 6 related efforts. We're hoping to fund a range of Perl 6-related projects over the life of the grant program. Accepted grants might be for coding, documentation, testing or even writing articles about Perl 6. The program isn't tied to any one implementation of Perl 6 -- We're interested in seeing proposals related to Pugs, Perl 6 on Parrot, Perl 6 on Perl 5 or any other Perl 6 implementation. Generally, we're interested in seeing projects that can be completed in 4-6 calendar weeks. Submitting a grant proposal --- To submit a grant proposal, please email us at perl6- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: * A two to three paragraph summary of the work you intend to do * A quick bio - Who are you? Is there opensource work you've done that we should have a look at? * A brief description of what success will mean for your project - How will we know you're done? * Where (if anywhere) you've discussed your project in the past * Where you'll be blogging about your progress. (Twice-weekly blog posts are a requirement for getting your grant money) We'll be accepting proposals on a rolling schedule. We expect to pay out these first 10 grants over the course of the summer. Depending on how things go, we'll then either find more money for more grant programs or we'll wind up the program and move on to other endeavors. We're really excited to get rolling. Submit your proposals early and often. Don't let somebody else beat you to the punch ;) Best, Jesse -- Cheers, Dongxu __END__ http://search.cpan.org/~dongxu PGP.sig Description: PGP signature
Perl 6 Microgrants. Now accepting proposals.
I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program. Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard, representing The Perl Foundation's grants committee, will work with me to select proposals and evaluate project success. We'll be making USD500 grants to worthy Perl 6 related efforts. We're hoping to fund a range of Perl 6-related projects over the life of the grant program. Accepted grants might be for coding, documentation, testing or even writing articles about Perl 6. The program isn't tied to any one implementation of Perl 6 -- We're interested in seeing proposals related to Pugs, Perl 6 on Parrot, Perl 6 on Perl 5 or any other Perl 6 implementation. Generally, we're interested in seeing projects that can be completed in 4-6 calendar weeks. Submitting a grant proposal --- To submit a grant proposal, please email us at perl6- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: * A two to three paragraph summary of the work you intend to do * A quick bio - Who are you? Is there opensource work you've done that we should have a look at? * A brief description of what success will mean for your project - How will we know you're done? * Where (if anywhere) you've discussed your project in the past * Where you'll be blogging about your progress. (Twice-weekly blog posts are a requirement for getting your grant money) We'll be accepting proposals on a rolling schedule. We expect to pay out these first 10 grants over the course of the summer. Depending on how things go, we'll then either find more money for more grant programs or we'll wind up the program and move on to other endeavors. We're really excited to get rolling. Submit your proposals early and often. Don't let somebody else beat you to the punch ;) Best, Jesse PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
