Re: [pestlist] RE: Vikane and Talstar P interactions with historic clothing/textiles

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I suggest you talk to Joe Perko at Rapid Refile, a company that does vacuum 
freeze-drying and other kinds of disaster mitigation.  They have fabulous 
freezing capabilities, and everyone there is knowledgeable and a pleasure to 
work with.  Their facility is in Pennsylvania under 2 hours from NYC.  Phone: 
877-59-RAPID.

I am very much against using chemical pesticides in cases like this.  No matter 
how sure you may be about safety, some of your users would no doubt be 
uncomfortable handling the material.  These days, people have plenty of reason 
not to believe it when they're told that some chemical is safe. You absolutely 
cannot put yourself in a position where you use chemicals and don't tell 
anyone.  IF then someone finds out, it will look like you were hiding something 
bad.

Barbara Appelbaum

On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Kaplan, Emily wrote:

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> Hi,
> Freezing will be faster than Vikane or anoxia, and should be cheaper. Perhaps 
> you should look into a freezer truck. It will be safer  than Vikane if you 
> have poor ventilation but a qualified exterminator should be making sure that 
> there is efficient ventilation, in which case you should not have any 
> residual sulfuryl fluoride.  Studies on the effects of Vikane on 
> proteinaceous collections materials were somewhat inconclusive. Freezing is 
> ideal for collections like this.
> Best,
> Emily
>  
> Emily Kaplan
> Conservator
> Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian
> Cultural Resources Center
> 4220 Silver Hill Rd Suitland MD 20746
> 301.238.1418 fax 301.238.3201
> kapl...@si.edu
>  
>  
>  
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> Bloomfield, Nicole (US)
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> Hello,
> I am the manager of a collection of about 10,000 pieces of vintage clothing 
> (mostly wool and fur/leather) that are infested with moths. I am looking into 
> the possibility of a low temperature treatment (freezing) of the collection 
> in the NYC area. Freezing the collection will definitely be time consuming 
> and expensive, although I believe it is possible. That said, it is a 
> "working" collection, meaning the vintage is used as reference material and 
> in heavy circulation (like a library book); e.g. constantly being handled by 
> people all day without gloves. Because so many people rely on it on a daily 
> basis, I am getting pressure from above to fumigate the entire thing. The 
> fumigant the exterminator would like to use is Vikane, and then they would 
> like to clean the entire collection room with Talstar P.
> My questions to you all are:
> · Will Vikane cause damage or change the appearance of the 
> collection? (I know that it likely will, especially because of the wool, but 
> wanted to double check)
> · Is it safe to fumigate the clothing with Vikane and then return the 
> items to immediate handling by people?
> · Is it safe for me to be handling a collection on a daily basis (50 
> hrs/week) that has been fumigated with Vikane?
> · Is Talstar P a good choice for cleaning the shelving, walls, nooks 
> and crannies with?
> · Is it safe for me to be confined in a room with poor ventilation 
> that has just been treated with Talstar P? 
> I have read the MSDS sheets for the chemicals and the JAIC article about 
> Vikane from 1990, but still feel uneasy about the toxicity of the 
> fumigants/pesticides that they would like to use. I want to be armed with as 
> much information as possible to make this decision.
> I know this is a lot to ask all at once, and thank you all in advance for any 
> advice you can offer. 
> Best regards,
> Nicole
> 
> 
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Re: [pestlist] RE: Vikane and Talstar P interactions with historic clothing/textiles

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This is the kind of situation were anoxia is an adequate desinfestations
methodology. If it well planned, we may have a sequence of workflow such
as: (1) anoxia disinfestation - (2) inspection - (3) cleaning - (4)
storaging - this cycle may be repeated for small parts of the collection
while the rest stays in anoxia atmosphere waiting.
Our approach is that when it comes to large scale insect disinfestations
treatments, during time is important, but effectiveness is the issue.
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RE: [pestlist] RE: Vikane and Talstar P interactions with historic clothing/textiles

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The Thermo Lignum process is a sophisticated heat treatment.
Temperatures are monitored by a probe inside an artifact (or a facsimile
artifact). The humidity is adjusted constantly to ensure that objects do
not dry out. Very impressive machinery, too.
 
Mary, would you know how much the treatment cost? Could you share? It
would be good to compare to renting a 'reefer" truck and parking it in
your loading dock for a few weeks. 
 
>From a supplier's point of view, the Thermo Lignum process is
intriguiging, but makes business sense only if you have a market that is
geographically small enough to drive the van or equipment around, and
dense enough with historically valuable artifacts to keep you busy.
Europe- yes, good for the German company who supply this service.
 
Wonderful response from the group - seems that most of us have real
hesitations about nasty poisons. At least four other methods are
available: heat, cold, anoxia via nitrogen or argon, and anoxia via CO2.
 
js
 
Jerry Shiner
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environmental control systems in museums and archives.
 
 
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Macqueen, Joan Mary
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When Wakefield museum's textile collection had moth we used a heat
treatment called  thermo ligium.  It worked very well  it is done by a
German company who have a portable van that they will bring to site  the
RAF museum in Stafford UK also used the company  you might be able to
get the whole collection done in one load  I needed 6 load each load
took about 5 days  we were able to hang costume on textile racks and
just wheel it into the van or   put open textile boxes in the van 

 

The advantage of thermo ligium over freezing is that it was less time
consuming in the preparation  I would certainly consider this treatment
method 

 

Mary

 

J Mary Macqueen ACR

Museums & Heritage Officer: Conservation & Collections

Wakefield Council

Sport & Culture WMDC

Central Museum Store

Milner Way 

OSSETT  

WF5 9JE 

jmmacqu...@wakefield.gov.uk

phone01924 262717

 

mobile 07534714681

For further Information please visit:

 <http://www.experiencewakefield.co.uk/> www.experiencewakefield.co.uk  

 <http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/> www.wakefield.gov.uk 

 

From: ad...@museumpests.net [mailto:ad...@museumpests.net] On Behalf Of
Bloomfield, Nicole (US)
Sent: 30 July 2012 15:33
To: 'pestlist@museumpests.net'
Subject: [pestlist] Vikane and Talstar P interactions with historic
clothing/textiles

 

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Hello,

I am the manager of a collection of about 10,000 pieces of vintage
clothing (mostly wool and fur/leather) that are infested with moths. I
am looking into the possibility of a low temperature treatment
(freezing) of the collection in the NYC area. Freezing the collection
will definitely be time consuming and expensive, although I believe it
is possible. That said, it is a "working" collection, meaning the
vintage is used as reference material and in heavy circulation (like a
library book); e.g. constantly being handled by people all day without
gloves. Because so many people rely on it on a daily basis, I am getting
pressure from above to fumigate the entire thing. The fumigant the
exterminator would like to use is Vikane, and then they would like to
clean the entire collection room with Talstar P. 

My questions to you all are:

.   Will Vikane cause damage or change the appearance of the
collection? (I know that it likely will, especially because of the wool,
but wanted to double check)

.   Is it safe to fumigate the clothing with Vikane and then return
the items to immediate handling by people?

.   Is it safe for me to be handling a collection on a daily basis
(50 hrs/week) that has been fumigated with Vikane?

.   Is Talstar P a good choice for cleaning the shelving, walls,
nooks and crannies with? 

.   Is it safe for me to be confined in a room

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I agree with Mary; a local firm specializing in heat treatments for bed bugs is 
the way to go.

Tom Parker



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Subject: [pestlist] RE: Vikane and Talstar P interactions with historic 
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When Wakefield museum’s textile collection had moth we used a heat treatment 
called  thermo ligium.  It worked very well  it is done by a German company who 
have a portable van that they will bring to site  the RAF museum in Stafford UK 
also used the company  you might be able to get the whole collection done in 
one load  I needed 6 load each load took about 5 days  we were able to hang 
costume on textile racks and just wheel it into the van or   put open textile 
boxes in the van 
 
The advantage of thermo ligium over freezing is that it was less time consuming 
in the preparation  I would certainly consider this treatment method 
 
Mary
 
J Mary Macqueen ACR
Museums & Heritage Officer: Conservation & Collections
Wakefield Council
Sport & Culture WMDC
Central Museum Store
Milner Way 
OSSETT  
WF5 9JE 
jmmacqu...@wakefield.gov.uk
phone01924 262717
 
mobile 07534714681
For further Information please visit:
www.experiencewakefield.co.uk  
www.wakefield.gov.uk 
 
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Subject: [pestlist] Vikane and Talstar P interactions with historic 
clothing/textiles
 
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Hello,
I am the manager of a collection of about 10,000 pieces of vintage clothing 
(mostly wool and fur/leather) that are infested with moths. I am looking into 
the possibility of a low temperature treatment (freezing) of the collection in 
the NYC area. Freezing the collection will definitely be time consuming and 
expensive, although I believe it is possible. That said, it is a "working" 
collection, meaning the vintage is used as reference material and in heavy 
circulation (like a library book); e.g. constantly being handled by people all 
day without gloves. Because so many people rely on it on a daily basis, I am 
getting pressure from above to fumigate the entire thing. The fumigant the 
exterminator would like to use is Vikane, and then they would like to clean the 
entire collection room with Talstar P. 
My questions to you all are:
·   Will Vikane cause damage or change the appearance of the collection? (I 
know that it likely will, especially because of the wool, but wanted to double 
check)
·   Is it safe to fumigate the clothing with Vikane and then return the 
items to immediate handling by people?
·   Is it safe for me to be handling a collection on a daily basis (50 
hrs/week) that has been fumigated with Vikane?
·   Is Talstar P a good choice for cleaning the shelving, walls, nooks and 
crannies with? 
·   Is it safe for me to be confined in a room with poor ventilation that 
has just been treated with Talstar P? 
I have read the MSDS sheets for the chemicals and the JAIC article about Vikane 
from 1990, but still feel uneasy about the toxicity of the fumigants/pesticides 
that they would like to use. I want to be armed with as much information as 
possible to make this decision. 
I know this is a lot to ask all at once, and thank you all in advance for any 
advice you can offer. 
Best regards,
Nicole 

 
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When Wakefield museum's textile collection had moth we used a heat treatment 
called  thermo ligium.  It worked very well  it is done by a German company who 
have a portable van that they will bring to site  the RAF museum in Stafford UK 
also used the company  you might be able to get the whole collection done in 
one load  I needed 6 load each load took about 5 days  we were able to hang 
costume on textile racks and just wheel it into the van or   put open textile 
boxes in the van

The advantage of thermo ligium over freezing is that it was less time consuming 
in the preparation  I would certainly consider this treatment method

Mary

J Mary Macqueen ACR
Museums & Heritage Officer: Conservation & Collections
Wakefield Council
Sport & Culture WMDC
Central Museum Store
Milner Way
OSSETT
WF5 9JE
jmmacqu...@wakefield.gov.uk
phone01924 262717

mobile 07534714681
For further Information please visit:
www.experiencewakefield.co.uk
www.wakefield.gov.uk

From: ad...@museumpests.net [mailto:ad...@museumpests.net] On Behalf Of 
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Hello,
I am the manager of a collection of about 10,000 pieces of vintage clothing 
(mostly wool and fur/leather) that are infested with moths. I am looking into 
the possibility of a low temperature treatment (freezing) of the collection in 
the NYC area. Freezing the collection will definitely be time consuming and 
expensive, although I believe it is possible. That said, it is a "working" 
collection, meaning the vintage is used as reference material and in heavy 
circulation (like a library book); e.g. constantly being handled by people all 
day without gloves. Because so many people rely on it on a daily basis, I am 
getting pressure from above to fumigate the entire thing. The fumigant the 
exterminator would like to use is Vikane, and then they would like to clean the 
entire collection room with Talstar P.
My questions to you all are:

*   Will Vikane cause damage or change the appearance of the collection? (I 
know that it likely will, especially because of the wool, but wanted to double 
check)

*   Is it safe to fumigate the clothing with Vikane and then return the 
items to immediate handling by people?

*   Is it safe for me to be handling a collection on a daily basis (50 
hrs/week) that has been fumigated with Vikane?

*   Is Talstar P a good choice for cleaning the shelving, walls, nooks and 
crannies with?

*   Is it safe for me to be confined in a room with poor ventilation that 
has just been treated with Talstar P?
I have read the MSDS sheets for the chemicals and the JAIC article about Vikane 
from 1990, but still feel uneasy about the toxicity of the fumigants/pesticides 
that they would like to use. I want to be armed with as much information as 
possible to make this decision.
I know this is a lot to ask all at once, and thank you all in advance for any 
advice you can offer.
Best regards,
Nicole

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Hi,
Freezing will be faster than Vikane or anoxia, and should be cheaper. Perhaps 
you should look into a freezer truck. It will be safer  than Vikane if you have 
poor ventilation but a qualified exterminator should be making sure that there 
is efficient ventilation, in which case you should not have any residual 
sulfuryl fluoride.  Studies on the effects of Vikane on proteinaceous 
collections materials were somewhat inconclusive. Freezing is ideal for 
collections like this.
Best,
Emily

Emily Kaplan
Conservator
Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian
Cultural Resources Center
4220 Silver Hill Rd Suitland MD 20746
301.238.1418 fax 301.238.3201
kapl...@si.edu



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Hello,
I am the manager of a collection of about 10,000 pieces of vintage clothing 
(mostly wool and fur/leather) that are infested with moths. I am looking into 
the possibility of a low temperature treatment (freezing) of the collection in 
the NYC area. Freezing the collection will definitely be time consuming and 
expensive, although I believe it is possible. That said, it is a "working" 
collection, meaning the vintage is used as reference material and in heavy 
circulation (like a library book); e.g. constantly being handled by people all 
day without gloves. Because so many people rely on it on a daily basis, I am 
getting pressure from above to fumigate the entire thing. The fumigant the 
exterminator would like to use is Vikane, and then they would like to clean the 
entire collection room with Talstar P.
My questions to you all are:

* Will Vikane cause damage or change the appearance of the collection? 
(I know that it likely will, especially because of the wool, but wanted to 
double check)

* Is it safe to fumigate the clothing with Vikane and then return the 
items to immediate handling by people?

* Is it safe for me to be handling a collection on a daily basis (50 
hrs/week) that has been fumigated with Vikane?

* Is Talstar P a good choice for cleaning the shelving, walls, nooks 
and crannies with?

* Is it safe for me to be confined in a room with poor ventilation that 
has just been treated with Talstar P?
I have read the MSDS sheets for the chemicals and the JAIC article about Vikane 
from 1990, but still feel uneasy about the toxicity of the fumigants/pesticides 
that they would like to use. I want to be armed with as much information as 
possible to make this decision.
I know this is a lot to ask all at once, and thank you all in advance for any 
advice you can offer.
Best regards,
Nicole

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To change to the DIGEST mode send an
email to imail...@museumpests.net with this 
command in the body:

set mode digest pestlist

Any problems email l...@collectionpests.com or 
l...@zaks.com


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To send an email to the list, send your msg to pestlist@mu