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Mary, A very practical method to record the core temperature! Just want to add: be sure that air can circulate in the freezer. Jan-Erik Bergh PRE-MAL www.nrm.se/premal At 18:36 2008-10-16, you wrote: Greetings - Data loggers are precise and record many data points, but some folks can't afford them. The least expensive thermometer set up I know of that is useful in monitoring the freezing of library materials is an indoor outdoor thermometer that I got at "Radio Shack" (electronics chain store). $20, stock number 6301032, "indoor/outdoor" thermometer, temperature range -58F to +158F. Uses one AAA battery. The temperature probe is about 1" long and 1/4" in diameter and is on the end of a thin cord that is 10 ft. long. This model stores high and low temp readings and also monitors relative humidity. The four older Radio Shack/Micronta units I have used for several years don't have the data recording and rH features, so I can't comment on how these new features work. I use one of my thermometers with an old phone book (3 inches thick). I carved a channel into the middle of the phone book for the probe and the cord, and put the phone book in a plastic bag. The cord is not too thick to keep the door of our freezer from closing properly. However, a freezer repair person drilled a hole through the freezer door that is large enough to place the probe inside the freezer, and sealed the hole with silicone caulk, so now the probe is permanently installed in the freezer. This set up gives a "ball park" idea of the core temperature of the materials I am freezing. I check the thermometer after 4 hours to see if the core temperature has reached -20 Centigrade ( = -4 F). The old rule of thumb for killing bugs is that the bugs should be at ambient - comfortable for them- temperature right before they are placed in the freezer. The core temperature of materials in the freezer should reach -20 Centigrade within 4 hours so that the bugs don't acclimate to the cold and survive the freezing. Freeze for 72 hours and thaw over 24 hours. It is also useful to know the core temperature before materials are removed from the freezer. If they are completely thawed, no condensation should form on the materials when they are removed from the freezer. One comment about freezing textiles: there may be buttons made of bone or plastic, or other parts that could be damaged by freezing. Mary Baughman Book Conservator Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center The University of Texas at Austin P.O.Drawer 7219 Austin, Texas 78713-7219 Telephone (512) 471-8635 or 471-9117 Fax (512) 471-7930 What kind of thermometer are you all using and where can they be purchased? How often do you monitor the temperature? Thank you Kate Wellspring _ Kate Wellspring Collections Manager Amherst College Museum of Natural History Amherst, MA 01002 (413) 542-2165 www.amherst.edu/museumofnaturalhistory On 10/15/08 11:40 AM, "Kaplan, Emily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Molly, You might also check resources on museumpests.net fact sheet on webbing clothes moth http://museumpests.net/whitesheets/default.php Fact sheet on low temperature treatment http://museumpests.net/tools/treatments/FINAL-Low_Temp_fact_sheet.pdf This fact sheet also includes references (Tom Strang's article in Collection Forum "A Review of Published Temperatures for the Control of Pest Insects in Museums." Collection Forum 8, no. 2 (1992): 41-67 gives lethal low temperatures for various pests and his CCI note is very helpful as well http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/n3-3_e.pdf What kind of a freezer are you using? You might look at this document about modifying chest freezers to get lower temperatures http://museumpests.net/resources/modifying_a_chest_freezer_for_pest_control.pdf Best, Emily From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margaret Geiss-Mooney Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:46 PM To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: 'Molly Gleeson' Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers - My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Nort
Re: [pestlist] question about freezing
Title: Re: [pestlist] question about freezing Greetings - Data loggers are precise and record many data points, but some folks can't afford them. The least expensive thermometer set up I know of that is useful in monitoring the freezing of library materials is an indoor outdoor thermometer that I got at "Radio Shack" (electronics chain store). $20, stock number 6301032, "indoor/outdoor" thermometer, temperature range -58F to +158F. Uses one AAA battery. The temperature probe is about 1" long and 1/4" in diameter and is on the end of a thin cord that is 10 ft. long. This model stores high and low temp readings and also monitors relative humidity. The four older Radio Shack/Micronta units I have used for several years don't have the data recording and rH features, so I can't comment on how these new features work. I use one of my thermometers with an old phone book (3 inches thick). I carved a channel into the middle of the phone book for the probe and the cord, and put the phone book in a plastic bag. The cord is not too thick to keep the door of our freezer from closing properly. However, a freezer repair person drilled a hole through the freezer door that is large enough to place the probe inside the freezer, and sealed the hole with silicone caulk, so now the probe is permanently installed in the freezer. This set up gives a "ball park" idea of the core temperature of the materials I am freezing. I check the thermometer after 4 hours to see if the core temperature has reached -20 Centigrade ( = -4 F). The old rule of thumb for killing bugs is that the bugs should be at ambient - comfortable for them- temperature right before they are placed in the freezer. The core temperature of materials in the freezer should reach -20 Centigrade within 4 hours so that the bugs don't acclimate to the cold and survive the freezing. Freeze for 72 hours and thaw over 24 hours. It is also useful to know the core temperature before materials are removed from the freezer. If they are completely thawed, no condensation should form on the materials when they are removed from the freezer. One comment about freezing textiles: there may be buttons made of bone or plastic, or other parts that could be damaged by freezing. Mary Baughman Book Conservator Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center The University of Texas at Austin P.O.Drawer 7219 Austin, Texas 78713-7219 Telephone (512) 471-8635 or 471-9117 Fax (512) 471-7930 What kind of thermometer are you all using and where can they be purchased? How often do you monitor the temperature? Thank you Kate Wellspring _ Kate Wellspring Collections Manager Amherst College Museum of Natural History Amherst, MA 01002 (413) 542-2165 www.amherst.edu/museumofnaturalhistory On 10/15/08 11:40 AM, "Kaplan, Emily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Molly, You might also check resources on museumpests.net fact sheet on webbing clothes moth http://museumpests.net/whitesheets/default.php Fact sheet on low temperature treatment http://museumpests.net/tools/treatments/FINAL-Low_Temp_fact_sheet.pdf This fact sheet also includes references (Tom Strang's article in Collection Forum "A Review of Published Temperatures for the Control of Pest Insects in Museums." Collection Forum 8, no. 2 (1992): 41-67 gives lethal low temperatures for various pests and his CCI note is very helpful as well http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/n3-3_e.pdf What kind of a freezer are you using? You might look at this document about modifying chest freezers to get lower temperatures http://museumpests.net/resources/modifying_a_chest_freezer_for_pest_control.pdf Best, Emily From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margaret Geiss-Mooney Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:46 PM To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: 'Molly Gleeson' Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers - My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparatio
RE: [pestlist] question about freezing
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Dear Molly, For that quantity of textiles, anoxia bubbles / plastic film, would be easier and maybe less stress for the articles. Feel free to ask for any further info on this matter. Rui Marto Fonseca EXPM Lda. - www.expm.com.pt - Anoxia Disinfestations Systems - Integrated Pest Control Officers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Molly Gleeson Sent: quarta-feira, 15 de Outubro de 2008 15:46 To: pestlist@museumpests.net Subject: Re: [pestlist] question about freezing Thanks everyone for your advice/suggestsions. And I really wanted to find Tom Strang's article--I didn't realize you could download it as a sample on the CCI website--good to know, and thinks for sending me the link. The graphs he provides are really great and just what I was looking for. I guess this freezer company we're using charges a lot more for temperatures below -17C because it involves moving them into their blast freezer. I don't know why their standard freezers don't go below that temp.--our own chest freezer is currently set at -30C. This is good information for me to give to our director to support possibly using a different company. And also, we have built an anoxic chamber to treat some objects, but unfortunately, this project involves massive treatment of 5000+ textiles, so I think freezing is our best option at this point. Thanks again for your input--I really appreciate it. Molly - Original Message From: Gretchen Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: Molly Gleeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:33:39 AM Subject: Re: [pestlist] question about freezing Yes, -20 deg C is considered the critical temperature. Testing on kill rates for all life cycle stages have been done by Tom Strang at the Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/3-3_e.aspx Other research being done in Sweden has shown a significant drop in fertility rates for insect eggs that are put through the freezing process. See a review of this on line at http://www.spnhc.org/files/CF18-1_2.htm. It is the last entry -- (sorry I cannot get the link to work) PROCEEDINGS OF THE 3RD NORDIC SYMPOSIUM ON INSECT PEST CONTROL IN MUSEUMS, 1998, M. Akerlund, J. Bergh, A. Stenmark, and I. Wallenborg, eds. I am surprised to hear that the freezer company is charging higher rates for -20 deg C since most household freezers reach the critical temperature. Freezing should be done in a freezer that is not self-defrosting. Good luck! Gretchen Anderson Conservator Science Museum of Minnesota 651-221-4764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.smm.org - Original Message - From: "Margaret Geiss-Mooney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: "Molly Gleeson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:46:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers – My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- …are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and als
Re: [pestlist] question about freezing
What kind of thermometer are you all using and where can they be purchased? How often do you monitor the temperature? Thank you Kate Wellspring _ Kate Wellspring Collections Manager Amherst College Museum of Natural History Amherst, MA 01002 (413) 542-2165 www.amherst.edu/museumofnaturalhistory On 10/15/08 11:40 AM, "Kaplan, Emily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Molly, > You might also check resources on museumpests.net > > fact sheet on webbing clothes moth > http://museumpests.net/whitesheets/default.php > > Fact sheet on low temperature treatment > http://museumpests.net/tools/treatments/FINAL-Low_Temp_fact_sheet.pdf > > This fact sheet also includes references (Tom Strang's article in Collection > Forum "A Review of Published Temperatures for the Control of Pest Insects in > Museums." Collection Forum 8, no. 2 (1992): 41-67 > gives lethal low temperatures for various pests and his CCI note is very > helpful as well > http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/n3-3_e.pdf > > > What kind of a freezer are you using? > > You might look at this document about modifying chest freezers to get lower > temperatures > http://museumpests.net/resources/modifying_a_chest_freezer_for_pest_control.pd> f > > Best, > Emily > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Margaret Geiss-Mooney > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:46 PM > To: pestlist@museumpests.net > Cc: 'Molly Gleeson' > Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing > > Good afternoon, PestListers My understanding of the freezing process is that > freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are > dealing with infested textiles. > > Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: > http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf > > It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for > 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. > The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. > > Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be > considered? > Regards, > Meg > > ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ > > Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney > > Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice > > in beautiful Northern California > > Professional Associate, AIC > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of > packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. > I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, > the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of > the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold > enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the > freezer for several weeks. Is this true? > > > > I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life > stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this > is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into > the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does > anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting > the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at > -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 > 2:02 AM >
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Hello all pest killers, Looking back in our Proceedings from 1998 I couldn´t find anything about the delayed effect of freezing, However, in our paper Bergh, J.-E., Karl.-Martin. V. Jensen,, Monika Åkerlund., Lise S. Hansen, and Martin Andrén (2006). A contribution to standards for freezing as a pest control method for museums. Collection Forum, 21 (1-2):117-125 we could show a delayed killing effect on larvae. Best wishes Jan-Erik Bergh PRE-MAL www.nrm.se/premal At 16:33 2008-10-15, you wrote: Yes, -20 deg C is considered the critical temperature. Testing on kill rates for all life cycle stages have been done by Tom Strang at the Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/3-3_e.aspx Other research being done in Sweden has shown a significant drop in fertility rates for insect eggs that are put through the freezing process. See a review of this on line at http://www.spnhc.org/files/CF18-1_2.htm. It is the last entry -- (sorry I cannot get the link to work) PROCEEDINGS OF THE 3RD NORDIC SYMPOSIUM ON INSECT PEST CONTROL IN MUSEUMS, 1998, M. Akerlund, J. Bergh, A. Stenmark, and I. Wallenborg, eds. I am surprised to hear that the freezer company is charging higher rates for -20 deg C since most household freezers reach the critical temperature. Freezing should be done in a freezer that is not self-defrosting. Good luck! Gretchen Anderson Conservator Science Museum of Minnesota 651-221-4764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.smm.org - Original Message - From: "Margaret Geiss-Mooney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: "Molly Gleeson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:46:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? NOTE: This message was trained as non-spam. If this is wrong, please correct the training as soon as possible. Spam Not spam Forget previous vote No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM
RE: [pestlist] question about freezing
Hi Molly, You might also check resources on museumpests.net fact sheet on webbing clothes moth http://museumpests.net/whitesheets/default.php Fact sheet on low temperature treatment http://museumpests.net/tools/treatments/FINAL-Low_Temp_fact_sheet.pdf This fact sheet also includes references (Tom Strang's article in Collection Forum "A Review of Published Temperatures for the Control of Pest Insects in Museums." Collection Forum 8, no. 2 (1992): 41-67 gives lethal low temperatures for various pests and his CCI note is very helpful as well http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/n3-3_e.pdf What kind of a freezer are you using? You might look at this document about modifying chest freezers to get lower temperatures http://museumpests.net/resources/modifying_a_chest_freezer_for_pest_cont rol.pdf Best, Emily From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margaret Geiss-Mooney Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:46 PM To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: 'Molly Gleeson' Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers - My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM
Re: [pestlist] question about freezing
Thanks everyone for your advice/suggestsions. And I really wanted to find Tom Strang's article--I didn't realize you could download it as a sample on the CCI website--good to know, and thinks for sending me the link. The graphs he provides are really great and just what I was looking for. I guess this freezer company we're using charges a lot more for temperatures below -17C because it involves moving them into their blast freezer. I don't know why their standard freezers don't go below that temp.--our own chest freezer is currently set at -30C. This is good information for me to give to our director to support possibly using a different company. And also, we have built an anoxic chamber to treat some objects, but unfortunately, this project involves massive treatment of 5000+ textiles, so I think freezing is our best option at this point. Thanks again for your input--I really appreciate it. Molly - Original Message From: Gretchen Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: pestlist@museumpests.netCc: Molly Gleeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:33:39 AMSubject: Re: [pestlist] question about freezing Yes, -20 deg C is considered the critical temperature. Testing on kill rates for all life cycle stages have been done by Tom Strang at the Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/3-3_e.aspx Other research being done in Sweden has shown a significant drop in fertility rates for insect eggs that are put through the freezing process. See a review of this on line at http://www.spnhc.org/files/CF18-1_2.htm. It is the last entry -- (sorry I cannot get the link to work) PROCEEDINGS OF THE 3RD NORDIC SYMPOSIUM ON INSECT PEST CONTROL IN MUSEUMS, 1998, M. Akerlund, J. Bergh, A. Stenmark, and I. Wallenborg, eds. I am surprised to hear that the freezer company is charging higher rates for -20 deg C since most household freezers reach the critical temperature. Freezing should be done in a freezer that is not self-defrosting. Good luck!Gretchen AndersonConservatorScience Museum of Minnesota651-221-4764[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.smm.org- Original Message -From: "Margaret Geiss-Mooney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: pestlist@museumpests.netCc: "Molly Gleeson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:46:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada CentralSubject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers – My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] …are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? NOTE: This message was trained as non-spam. If this is wrong, please correct the training as soon as possible. SpamNot spamForget previous vote No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comVersion: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM
RE: [pestlist] question about freezing
Hello Molly, Might I suggest you read the Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) Note 3/3 “Controlling Insect Pests with Low Temperature” which is now available online. Figure 1 will be helpful to you in choosing the best exposure time for the temperature you can achieve. There is also helpful advice to assist you in achieving a quick cool rate which will be very important since your freezer can not reach the optimal temperature. Shannon Coles Pest Control/Collections Technician Glenbow Museum, Calgary Alberta From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Molly Gleeson Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:58 PM To: pestlist@museumpests.net Subject: [pestlist] question about freezing I just started working for a museum that has an active webbing clothes moth infestation in their textile storage room. Half of the textiles have been packed, sealed in plastic, and are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? Thanks in advance for your help, Molly Gleeson Conservator San Diego Museum of Man
Re: [pestlist] question about freezing
Yes, -20 deg C is considered the critical temperature. Testing on kill rates for all life cycle stages have been done by Tom Strang at the Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/ccinotes/pdf-documents/3-3_e.aspx Other research being done in Sweden has shown a significant drop in fertility rates for insect eggs that are put through the freezing process. See a review of this on line at http://www.spnhc.org/files/CF18-1_2.htm. It is the last entry -- (sorry I cannot get the link to work) PROCEEDINGS OF THE 3RD NORDIC SYMPOSIUM ON INSECT PEST CONTROL IN MUSEUMS, 1998, M. Akerlund, J. Bergh, A. Stenmark, and I. Wallenborg, eds. I am surprised to hear that the freezer company is charging higher rates for -20 deg C since most household freezers reach the critical temperature. Freezing should be done in a freezer that is not self-defrosting. Good luck! Gretchen Anderson Conservator Science Museum of Minnesota 651-221-4764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.smm.org - Original Message - From: "Margaret Geiss-Mooney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pestlist@museumpests.net Cc: "Molly Gleeson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:46:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [pestlist] question about freezing Good afternoon, PestListers – My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] … are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? NOTE: This message was trained as non-spam. If this is wrong, please correct the training as soon as possible. Spam Not spam Forget previous vote No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM
RE: [pestlist] question about freezing
Good afternoon, PestListers - My understanding of the freezing process is that freezing if done correctly also kills the eggs, very important when you are dealing with infested textiles. Check out the following NPS ConserveOGram on freezing: http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/publications/conserveogram/03-06.pdf It appears that you do need to get that freezer temperature done to -20C for 48 hours. Rapid cooling to -20C is also necessary to assure a complete kill. The ConserveOGram covers the whole procedure very well. Depending on your budget and your staffing, perhaps anoxic treatment should be considered? Regards, Meg ._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator in Private Practice in beautiful Northern California Professional Associate, AIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ .are in a freezer that is set at 0 F (-17 C). We are in the process of packing the other half in preparation to move them into the freezer as well. I would like them to be frozen in a freezer set to at least -20 C, however, the freezer company quoted exhorbitant fees for lowering the temperature of the freezer, even for only a few days. I'm concerned that -17 C isn't cold enough to ensure that the moths are killed, even if we keep them in the freezer for several weeks. Is this true? I'm also thinking that we should do a second freeze, to ensure that all life stages are killed, but if the temperature is not low enough, then maybe this is pointless. I plan to do a test by putting a bag of live moths/larvae into the freezer along with the objects, to monitor what's happening, but does anyone have any experience with this, or have any suggestions about adjusting the temperature and also about the recommended length of time to freeze at -17C to ensure mortality of the moths? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM
