Re: [ADMIN] Trigger File Behaviour

2011-02-20 Thread Guillaume Lelarge
Le 21/02/2011 02:04, Selva manickaraja a écrit :
> I encountered a small issue when I run the script in the old-primary. The
> "SELECT  pg_start_backup" part of the script will fail since the
> postgres service has been stopped. Is this error meant to happen?
> 

The "SELECT pg_start_backup... rsync... SELECT pg_stop_backup" must
happen on the new primary. The psql comand probably needs a "-h
new.primary.hostname" switch.


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Re: [ADMIN] Trigger File Behaviour

2011-02-20 Thread Selva manickaraja
I encountered a small issue when I run the script in the old-primary. The
"SELECT  pg_start_backup" part of the script will fail since the
postgres service has been stopped. Is this error meant to happen?

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) <
postgre...@ultimeth.com> wrote:

>  On 2011-02-17 17:43, Selva manickaraja wrote:
>
> Does this mean the fail-over will not be auto the moment the primary DB or
> Server goes down? Does it require for us to manually intervene to introduce
> the trigger_file?
>
>
> Yes, and yes.
>
> I depends upon the installation, as to how to detect that that the primary
> has gone down (eg, lose network connection for how long?).  Therefore, it is
> left to the sysadmin (that's you and me) to write external procedures to
> detect when it is time to fail-over, and write an appropriate automated
> script to create the trigger file (or do it manually).  I do it manually,
> because I have multiple slaves and the procedures are slightly more complex
> than for just one slave.
>
> Setting up the configuration files is pretty trivial:
>
> 1. On each slave, create a recovery.conf that points to the primary.
> 2. Optionally, on the primary, create a recovery.done (note the different
> extension) that points to whichever slave you plan on later switching to a
> primary in case of a fail-over.
>
> In the case of the failure of the primary:
>
> 1. Make sure the primary will not come back up (yet).
> 2. Create the trigger file (which triggers the switch) on whatever slave
> you wish to become the new primary.
> 3. If you have only one slave, you are done.  If you have more than one
> slave, you will need to (on each other slave):
> 3.a. Stop the slave.
> 3.b. Edit the recovery.conf file to point to the new primary.
> 3.c. Restart the slave.
> 3.d. If the slave does not properly sync to the new primary, you may have
> to (ugh) run the script below to resynchronize the slave to the new primary.
>
> When you are ready to have the old primary become a new slave, resync the
> data on the old primary to the new primary (I use the following script on
> the old primary):
>
> service postgresql  stop
> {
> cat <<-EOF
> SELECT  pg_start_backup( '$(date
> --iso-8601)', true );
> \!  rsync   -vaz --delete
> new.primary.hostname:$PGDATA/  $PGDATA/
> SELECT  pg_stop_backup();
> EOF
> } | psql -e   template1 postgres
> mv  $PGDATA/recovery.{done,conf}
> service postgresql  start
>
> Presto!  Your old primary is now back up as a slave.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) <
> postgre...@ultimeth.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2011-02-16 18:10, Selva manickaraja wrote:
>>
>>> We tried setting the trigger file for fail-over purpose. But we just
>>> can't understand how it works. Each time the secondary is started the
>>> trigger file is removed. How can we introduce auto fail-over is this
>>> happens?
>>>
>>> Thank you.  Regards, Selvam
>>>
>>
>>  That's exactly what is supposed to happen.  You will also find that the
>> recovery.conf file gets renamed when the trigger file is created by you (and
>> then is promptly deleted by PostgreSQL).
>>
>>
>> Don't create the trigger file until you want the hot-standby server to
>> switch roles and become the primary server (and thusly accept DB change
>> requests).
>>
>
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Re: [ADMIN] Trigger File Behaviour

2011-02-17 Thread Selva manickaraja
Thank you so much!! It has been very very helpful. I just wonder if
PostgreSQL has plans to put this in as part of it HA features in later
versions.

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) <
postgre...@ultimeth.com> wrote:

>  On 2011-02-17 17:43, Selva manickaraja wrote:
>
> Does this mean the fail-over will not be auto the moment the primary DB or
> Server goes down? Does it require for us to manually intervene to introduce
> the trigger_file?
>
>
> Yes, and yes.
>
> I depends upon the installation, as to how to detect that that the primary
> has gone down (eg, lose network connection for how long?).  Therefore, it is
> left to the sysadmin (that's you and me) to write external procedures to
> detect when it is time to fail-over, and write an appropriate automated
> script to create the trigger file (or do it manually).  I do it manually,
> because I have multiple slaves and the procedures are slightly more complex
> than for just one slave.
>
> Setting up the configuration files is pretty trivial:
>
> 1. On each slave, create a recovery.conf that points to the primary.
> 2. Optionally, on the primary, create a recovery.done (note the different
> extension) that points to whichever slave you plan on later switching to a
> primary in case of a fail-over.
>
> In the case of the failure of the primary:
>
> 1. Make sure the primary will not come back up (yet).
> 2. Create the trigger file (which triggers the switch) on whatever slave
> you wish to become the new primary.
> 3. If you have only one slave, you are done.  If you have more than one
> slave, you will need to (on each other slave):
> 3.a. Stop the slave.
> 3.b. Edit the recovery.conf file to point to the new primary.
> 3.c. Restart the slave.
> 3.d. If the slave does not properly sync to the new primary, you may have
> to (ugh) run the script below to resynchronize the slave to the new primary.
>
> When you are ready to have the old primary become a new slave, resync the
> data on the old primary to the new primary (I use the following script on
> the old primary):
>
> service postgresql  stop
> {
> cat <<-EOF
> SELECT  pg_start_backup( '$(date
> --iso-8601)', true );
> \!  rsync   -vaz --delete
> new.primary.hostname:$PGDATA/  $PGDATA/
> SELECT  pg_stop_backup();
> EOF
> } | psql -e   template1 postgres
> mv  $PGDATA/recovery.{done,conf}
> service postgresql  start
>
> Presto!  Your old primary is now back up as a slave.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) <
> postgre...@ultimeth.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2011-02-16 18:10, Selva manickaraja wrote:
>>
>>> We tried setting the trigger file for fail-over purpose. But we just
>>> can't understand how it works. Each time the secondary is started the
>>> trigger file is removed. How can we introduce auto fail-over is this
>>> happens?
>>>
>>> Thank you.  Regards, Selvam
>>>
>>
>>  That's exactly what is supposed to happen.  You will also find that the
>> recovery.conf file gets renamed when the trigger file is created by you (and
>> then is promptly deleted by PostgreSQL).
>>
>>
>> Don't create the trigger file until you want the hot-standby server to
>> switch roles and become the primary server (and thusly accept DB change
>> requests).
>>
>
>
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Re: [ADMIN] Trigger File Behaviour

2011-02-17 Thread Dean Gibson (DB Administrator)

On 2011-02-17 17:43, Selva manickaraja wrote:
Does this mean the fail-over will not be auto the moment the primary 
DB or Server goes down? Does it require for us to manually intervene 
to introduce the trigger_file?


Yes, and yes.

I depends upon the installation, as to how to detect that that the 
primary has gone down (eg, lose network connection for how long?).  
Therefore, it is left to the sysadmin (that's you and me) to write 
external procedures to detect when it is time to fail-over, and write an 
appropriate automated script to create the trigger file (or do it 
manually).  I do it manually, because I have multiple slaves and the 
procedures are slightly more complex than for just one slave.


Setting up the configuration files is pretty trivial:

1. On each slave, create a recovery.conf that points to the primary.
2. Optionally, on the primary, create a recovery.done (note the 
different extension) that points to whichever slave you plan on later 
switching to a primary in case of a fail-over.


In the case of the failure of the primary:

1. Make sure the primary will not come back up (yet).
2. Create the trigger file (which triggers the switch) on whatever slave 
you wish to become the new primary.
3. If you have only one slave, you are done.  If you have more than one 
slave, you will need to (on each other slave):

3.a. Stop the slave.
3.b. Edit the recovery.conf file to point to the new primary.
3.c. Restart the slave.
3.d. If the slave does not properly sync to the new primary, you may 
have to (ugh) run the script below to resynchronize the slave to the new 
primary.


When you are ready to have the old primary become a new slave, resync 
the data on the old primary to the new primary (I use the following 
script on the old primary):


   service postgresql  stop
   {
   cat <<-EOF
   SELECT  pg_start_backup( '$(date 
--iso-8601)', true );
   \!  rsync   -vaz --delete  
new.primary.hostname:$PGDATA/  $PGDATA/

   SELECT  pg_stop_backup();
   EOF
   } | psql -e   template1 postgres
   mv  $PGDATA/recovery.{done,conf}
   service postgresql  start

Presto!  Your old primary is now back up as a slave.



On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) 
mailto:postgre...@ultimeth.com>> wrote:


On 2011-02-16 18:10, Selva manickaraja wrote:

We tried setting the trigger file for fail-over purpose. But
we just can't understand how it works. Each time the secondary
is started the trigger file is removed. How can we introduce
auto fail-over is this happens?

Thank you.  Regards, Selvam


That's exactly what is supposed to happen.  You will also find
that the recovery.conf file gets renamed when the trigger file is
created by you (and then is promptly deleted by PostgreSQL).

Don't create the trigger file until you want the hot-standby
server to switch roles and become the primary server (and thusly
accept DB change requests).




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Re: [ADMIN] Trigger File Behaviour

2011-02-17 Thread Selva manickaraja
Does this mean the fail-over will not be auto the moment the primary DB or
Server goes down? Does it require for us to manually intervene to introduce
the trigger_file?

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) <
postgre...@ultimeth.com> wrote:

> On 2011-02-16 18:10, Selva manickaraja wrote:
>
>> We tried setting the trigger file for fail-over purpose. But we just can't
>> understand how it works. Each time the secondary is started the trigger file
>> is removed. How can we introduce auto fail-over is this happens?
>>
>> Thank you.  Regards, Selvam
>>
>
> That's exactly what is supposed to happen.  You will also find that the
> recover.conf file gets renamed when the trigger file is created by you
> (and then is promptly deleted by PostgreSQL).
>
> Don't create the trigger file until you want the hot-standby server to
> switch roles and become the primary server (and thusly accept DB change
> requests).
>
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[ADMIN] Trigger File Behaviour

2011-02-16 Thread Selva manickaraja
Hi,

We tried setting the trigger file for fail-over purpose. But we just can't
understand how it works. Each time the secondary is started the trigger file
is removed. How can we introduce auto fail-over is this happens?

Thank you.

Regards,

Selvam