Re: [GENERAL] 3rd RFD: comp.databases.postgresql (was: comp.databases.postgresql.*)
On Saturday, in article
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert McClenon wrote:
I think that the term that is occasionally used is that the hierarchy
has a hierarchy czar. That is the most straightforward way to manage
a hierarchy. I did not say that it was the best or the worst, only
the most straightforward. It doesn't address the question of what
happens if the czar disappears, for instance.
Seventy-five years' rule by Soviet?
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Re: [GENERAL] I spoke with Marc from the postgresql mailing list.
On Monday, in article
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Skirvin wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes:
(Personally, I blame the original authors of Netscape for incorporating a
news reader that could access multiple servers. Before then, most
readers of news had no option other than to read ALL their desired
newsgroups from ONE server, that of their university/employer/ISP. Since
that capability appeared in Netscape, and other browser/newsreaders,
there has been a proliferation of *really* private newsgroups, such as
borland.*; even microsoft.* was originally only available from one
site.)
I've been involved in private newsgroup hierarchies since about
1996. They exist, they're useful, and they're important. I've written
code to let me use my own newsreader with multiple servers for just such a
reason.
I firmly believe that there should be a better standard for
newsgroup names that includes (the|a) server you can access it through.
Hmm; what about RFC1738:
3.7. NNTP
The nntp URL scheme is an alternative method of referencing news
articles, useful for specifying news articles from NNTP servers (RFC
977).
A nntp URL take the form:
nntp://host:port/newsgroup-name/article-number
where host and port are as described in Section 3.1. If :port
is omitted, the port defaults to 119.
The newsgroup-name is the name of the group, while the article-
number is the numeric id of the article within that newsgroup.
Note that while nntp: URLs specify a unique location for the article
resource, most NNTP servers currently on the Internet today are
configured only to allow access from local clients, and thus nntp
URLs do not designate globally accessible resources. Thus, the news:
form of URL is preferred as a way of identifying news articles.
Mind you, IME there are few browsers masquerading as newsreaders that
understand the news:Message-ID form of URL, so the likelihood of
finding one that bothers to interpret nntp: is minimal.
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Re: [GENERAL] Postresql RFD version 2.0 Help Wanted.
On Saturday, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Cox wrote:
Woodchuck Bill wrote:
Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I cannot handle the volume of email that a mailing list would place
on my
inbox.
Ever heard of a digest version?
I don't care. Its too much of a hassle to dig through without being able to
google groups search it.
Mike makes here a VERY valid point about the mailing list vs newsgroups
controversy: often there is no means to search past articles from the
mailing list unless one maintains one's own complete archive thereof. In
contrast, posts of articles to *public* newsgroups (which includes the
Big-8, alt.*, and thousands of national and other hierarchies, such as
demon.*) are generally[1] archived by GoogleGroups, and thereby readily
searchable.
Private so-called newsgroups, which are carried on only one (or a handful
of cooperating) server(s), and mailing lists ditto, need to make their
own arrangements for archiving (which they often do) and providing a
search capability (which they often don't).
Newsgroups are much more flexible from the end-users' POV; however, there
is a huge percentage of Internet users that are completely unaware of
the existence of the concept. In contrast, they perceive using a mailing
list is no different to mailing one person (as, sadly, can often be
observed when mailing list participants use nasty habits picked up from
using Outlook Express in inter-office memoranda).
[1] Except, of course, where the poster uses X-No-Archive: Yes
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Re: [GENERAL] I spoke with Marc from the postgresql mailing list.
On Sunday, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Cox wrote:
Also, he pointed out that for those who want to get the postgresql groups
when their usenet sever doesn't carry them, the solution would be to point
their newsreaders to news.postgresql.org.
Which only confirms my opinion that he's a fuckwit. The concept of
Usenet is NOT that everyone has to read a newsgroup from one particular
server; it's that everyone ought to be able to access any newsgroup from
THEIR own particular most convenient server. Servers exist (and at one
time there were hundreds of thousands of them) specifically to reduce
wasted bandwidth in having everyone and his dog accessing information
that is only in one place, when it could just as easily be in thousands
of places and thereby result in use only of local bandwidth, rather than
international.
(Personally, I blame the original authors of Netscape for incorporating a
news reader that could access multiple servers. Before then, most
readers of news had no option other than to read ALL their desired
newsgroups from ONE server, that of their university/employer/ISP. Since
that capability appeared in Netscape, and other browser/newsreaders,
there has been a proliferation of *really* private newsgroups, such as
borland.*; even microsoft.* was originally only available from one
site.)
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