Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and collaborative way. 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more interested in being a victim than moving forward. 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists, IRC etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation of the CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee. 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own. 6. The CoC is not about Social Justice. Sincerely, JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and collaborative way. 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more interested in being a victim than moving forward. 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. Well that renders this thread: http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/4579835f.11355.1de...@rod.iol.ie out of bounds and I thought it was quite productive. 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists, IRC etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation of the CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee. 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own. 6. The CoC is not about Social Justice. Sincerely, JD -- Adrian Klaver adrian.kla...@aklaver.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
On 01/11/2016 02:08 PM, Adrian Klaver wrote: On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and collaborative way. 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more interested in being a victim than moving forward. 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. Well that renders this thread: http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/4579835f.11355.1de...@rod.iol.ie out of bounds and I thought it was quite productive. No it doesn't. That thread was clearly a technical question based on a specific gender problem domain. That is perfectly within bounds. That said there is an obvious typo in #3: 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free of comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. We could add the word inappropriate (I thought negative but that doesn't work either because positive comments can be just as bad). JD P.S. please use new thread WIP: CoC -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
Thanks Joshua for creating this list. Great starting point and hopefully points to focus on to conclude this thread. Here are my humble comments on them. I think point two is already covered by respecting other people's opinion. At times specially over email ,where we don't see others reactions , people can unintentionally be more confrontational than normal. Therefore it is not just the recipient. Perhaps Point 3 should read "free from". Thanks again Joshua. Best Regards Farjad -Original Message- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:j...@commandprompt.com] Sent: 11 January 2016 22:00 To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe' Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC) Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and collaborative way. 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more interested in being a victim than moving forward. 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists, IRC etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation of the CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee. 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own. 6. The CoC is not about Social Justice. Sincerely, JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free > comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical > appearance, body size or race. ... for of _off-topic_ comments related to ... Since I am using PostgreSQL for storing Electronic Medical Record data I fear I will need to be able to discuss schema layout related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, and race. Karsten Hilbert -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ eu.pool.sks-keyservers.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free of comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. why not > 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free of ad hominem. (Tip: Ask your self "Would I make this same comment if my best friend or parent stated what I was replying to" if you're unsure.) The tip being optional, of course :-p I don't see why we need to limit comments like in the original: that's not the point! The point is that people shouldn't be attacked! Moreover, > 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more interested in being a victim than moving forward. is very harsh. It definitely needs to be rephrased or built on. What is the point of this, by the way? If we state that personal attacks are unbecoming of a member of this group, then does it matter if I'm offended when someone says we should have a table that lacks 1-M 1-F constraints for marriage? It's not an attack and trying to clarify the differences between being offended because of an attack on me or just in general might make things too awkward to write. Jim On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:15 PM, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) < farjad.fa...@checknetworks.com> wrote: > > Thanks Joshua for creating this list. Great starting point and hopefully > points to focus on to conclude this thread. > > Here are my humble comments on them. > > I think point two is already covered by respecting other people's opinion. > At times specially over email ,where we don't see others reactions , people > can unintentionally be more confrontational than normal. Therefore it is > not just the recipient. > > Perhaps Point 3 should read "free from". > > Thanks again Joshua. > > Best Regards > > > Farjad > > > -Original Message- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:j...@commandprompt.com] > Sent: 11 January 2016 22:00 > To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe' > Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC) > > Hello, > > Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: > > PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): > > 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a > safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is > willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and collaborative > way. > > 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is > purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more > interested in being a victim than moving forward. > > 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free > comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical > appearance, body size or race. > > 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists, IRC > etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation of the > CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee. > > 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your > private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own. > > 6. The CoC is not about Social Justice. > > > Sincerely, > > JD > > > -- > Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 > PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. > Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control > your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you. > > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general >
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
Adrian Klaver wrote: > On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free > >comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical > >appearance, body size or race. > > Well that renders this thread: > > http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/4579835f.11355.1de...@rod.iol.ie > > out of bounds and I thought it was quite productive. How about this one https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20150825203743.2090.73356%40wrigleys.postgresql.org -- Álvaro Herrerahttp://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
ALL: Please move comments to the new thread: WIP: CoC -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
On 12/01/16 11:21, Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. ... for of _off-topic_ comments related to ... Since I am using PostgreSQL for storing Electronic Medical Record data I fear I will need to be able to discuss schema layout related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, and race. Karsten Hilbert And what about people who want to construct a database to help survivors of sexual abuse, and/or doing research into sexual abuse? -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
Dear all, Please let's not be pedantic and expect absolute legalistic perfection in the wordings that has been put forward. No doubt we all understand the spirit and the purpose of the wording. Which is when we are consulting in the community we are not to here to discuss other people's gender, sexuality etc. Joshua can I put forward that two further points should be considered for possible inclusion. One is prejudices towards one's own religious persuasion and secondly age related should not be part of discussions or reasoning. We are effectively here to focus on helping each other and improving the overall functioning of postgresql etc in a very practical manner. Please let's move on. Best Regards -Original Message- From: pgsql-general-ow...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-general-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Karsten Hilbert Sent: 11 January 2016 22:21 To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC) On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is > free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, > physical appearance, body size or race. ... for of _off-topic_ comments related to ... Since I am using PostgreSQL for storing Electronic Medical Record data I fear I will need to be able to discuss schema layout related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, and race. Karsten Hilbert -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ eu.pool.sks-keyservers.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
