Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
On 8/28/2006 9:36 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Jan -- #==# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #== [EMAIL PROTECTED] # ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Wieck Sent: 31 August 2006 13:59 To: Joshua D. Drake Cc: Dave Cramer; Greg Sabino Mullane; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat On 8/28/2006 9:36 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. You don't look carefully enough. There's been a couple of complaints earlier. But no, not many. //Magnus ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Wieck Sent: 31 August 2006 13:59 To: Joshua D. Drake Cc: Dave Cramer; Greg Sabino Mullane; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat On 8/28/2006 9:36 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. fwiw we had a number of requests on irc at least ... Stefan ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
On 8/31/2006 9:10 AM, Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Wieck Sent: 31 August 2006 13:59 To: Joshua D. Drake Cc: Dave Cramer; Greg Sabino Mullane; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat On 8/28/2006 9:36 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. Meaning what? A) Will be restored from backup B) Data is lost finally and must be recovered from other sources Jan -- #==# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #== [EMAIL PROTECTED] # ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-Original Message- From: Jan Wieck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 August 2006 14:51 To: Dave Page Cc: Joshua D. Drake; Dave Cramer; Greg Sabino Mullane; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. Meaning what? A) Will be restored from backup B) Data is lost finally and must be recovered from other sources Well A) afaik. I'm just telling you what happened though. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. Meaning what? A) Will be restored from backup B) Data is lost finally and must be recovered from other sources The info I've seen from Marc says the data is available on backups and will be restored, but the backup server is currently offline so it can't be done right now. Don't know more details than that. //Magnus ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 03:27:13PM +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. You don't look carefully enough. There's been a couple of complaints earlier. But no, not many. Perhaps it's because you responded with a message to the effect we're on it when I asked, and people took that to mean that prompt action was in the works :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
You don't look carefully enough. There's been a couple of complaints earlier. But no, not many. Perhaps it's because you responded with a message to the effect we're on it when I asked, and people took that to mean that prompt action was in the works :) Probably. Heck, that's what *I* thought at the time :) //Magnus ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Jan Wieck wrote: On 8/28/2006 9:36 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. It is a hardware failure apparently. My understanding is that Marc is working on it. Joshua D. Drake Jan -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
grate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. Fetter also brought it up, but it was on IRC :) Regards, Dave. -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-Original Message- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 August 2006 15:47 To: Dave Page Cc: Jan Wieck; Dave Cramer; Greg Sabino Mullane; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat grate mailing lists Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. Fetter also brought it up, but it was on IRC :) Perhaps we could get a new rule on IRC that when someone reports an infrastructure issue, one of the regulars forwards it to -www ? /D ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Apparently something cut the throat first. GBorg is down since Sunday. Neptune lost 2 disks at once... Buts whats more interesting is that yours is the first complaint I've seen. The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I'm certainly unhappy about the fact that it is down, and I've griped on IRC about it, but I see little point about complaining to the list when it is a known problem. I assumed all along that it was being worked on, and further complaints to the list would only annoy those who were trying their best to resolve the problem. All that aside, this seems to be a fairly long outage and an update would be nice. Perhaps for something as important as this a daily update could be a standard way of doing things moving forward? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200608311059 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFE9vl8vJuQZxSWSsgRAkCeAKCs80RNZXOsDlsJg8vBcQGIDh0wdACdGELD /VhJv99k06JSUK3/OD2imYA= =aeuU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
On 27-Aug-06, at 11:47 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have been looking at the migration of Gborg lately. It looks like the only two active projects on that site are Slony, and pljava. Libpqxx has recently moved to their own Trac site. There are definitely more than that. ? like? I am not saying you are wrong, but I didn't see much. How about jdbc ? 1. We set a read only date of 12/31/06 2. We set a shut down date of 03/31/07 I don't have a problem per se with shutting down gborg, but there are some questions to answer/problems to resolve first: 1) Have the project maintainers been sent an email yet? (as promised multiple times)? Well that is kind of the point of this whole thread. To solidify this now and get it done (including communication with maintainers) Speaking as a maintainer I have not been contacted. 3) Is there a migration guide or documentation somewhere? I think you missed my point. There is no migration, except the important of the mbox files and moving of the cvs repo. All tickets etc... are the responsibility of the project. 3) Is the pgfoundry machine stable and finished being moved/ upgraded/etc.? To my knowledge it has never moved but it is current stable. 4) Are we changing the subdomain or not? Speaking on my own behalf, this is important because if I port a project, hard-coded documentation URLs need to be changed as well. I don't know what you mean? 5) Is subversion available? This is not a must, but a strong nice to have and having it would be a good indication that a) someone is actively working on the site, and b) someone is willing to help pgfoundry move forward in the future. This is actually part of a thread I started on Gforge-admins. It will be available, it just isn't yet. Joshua D. Drake - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200608272100 http://biglumber.com/x/web? pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFE8kAbvJuQZxSWSsgRAhl5AKC9miWUAETzwdfZ/oL0R+c2PQDNvgCfd6hg 8iqkEakHQCDlGjtrz7uRdCI= =KeJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Hello, O.k. so how about a phased approach? 1. Contact maintainers to create their new projects on pgfoundry and begin moving tickets 2. Migrate CVS 3. Migrate mailing lists Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Joshua D. Drake Sent: Sun 8/27/2006 5:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PgSQL General Subject: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat Question: How is CVS handled on Gborg? Do they have their own repos? If so we can just move them to pgfoundry yes? Yes - rsync is our friend. /D ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Question: How is CVS handled on Gborg? Do they have their own repos? If so we can just move them to pgfoundry yes? Yes - rsync is our friend. Cool... so can you think of any other dependencies we are misisng? Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-Original Message- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 August 2006 11:42 To: Dave Page Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PgSQL General Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat Question: How is CVS handled on Gborg? Do they have their own repos? If so we can just move them to pgfoundry yes? Yes - rsync is our friend. Cool... so can you think of any other dependencies we are misisng? Not offhand - but then I only migrated 2 projects and in both cases we only did the CVS repo. /D ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have been looking at the migration of Gborg lately. It looks like the only two active projects on that site are Slony, and pljava. Libpqxx has recently moved to their own Trac site. There are definitely more than that. 1. We set a read only date of 12/31/06 2. We set a shut down date of 03/31/07 I don't have a problem per se with shutting down gborg, but there are some questions to answer/problems to resolve first: 1) Have the project maintainers been sent an email yet? (as promised multiple times)? 3) Is there a migration guide or documentation somewhere? 3) Is the pgfoundry machine stable and finished being moved/upgraded/etc.? 4) Are we changing the subdomain or not? Speaking on my own behalf, this is important because if I port a project, hard-coded documentation URLs need to be changed as well. 5) Is subversion available? This is not a must, but a strong nice to have and having it would be a good indication that a) someone is actively working on the site, and b) someone is willing to help pgfoundry move forward in the future. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200608272100 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFE8kAbvJuQZxSWSsgRAhl5AKC9miWUAETzwdfZ/oL0R+c2PQDNvgCfd6hg 8iqkEakHQCDlGjtrz7uRdCI= =KeJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have been looking at the migration of Gborg lately. It looks like the only two active projects on that site are Slony, and pljava. Libpqxx has recently moved to their own Trac site. There are definitely more than that. ? like? I am not saying you are wrong, but I didn't see much. 1. We set a read only date of 12/31/06 2. We set a shut down date of 03/31/07 I don't have a problem per se with shutting down gborg, but there are some questions to answer/problems to resolve first: 1) Have the project maintainers been sent an email yet? (as promised multiple times)? Well that is kind of the point of this whole thread. To solidify this now and get it done (including communication with maintainers) 3) Is there a migration guide or documentation somewhere? I think you missed my point. There is no migration, except the important of the mbox files and moving of the cvs repo. All tickets etc... are the responsibility of the project. 3) Is the pgfoundry machine stable and finished being moved/upgraded/etc.? To my knowledge it has never moved but it is current stable. 4) Are we changing the subdomain or not? Speaking on my own behalf, this is important because if I port a project, hard-coded documentation URLs need to be changed as well. I don't know what you mean? 5) Is subversion available? This is not a must, but a strong nice to have and having it would be a good indication that a) someone is actively working on the site, and b) someone is willing to help pgfoundry move forward in the future. This is actually part of a thread I started on Gforge-admins. It will be available, it just isn't yet. Joshua D. Drake - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200608272100 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFE8kAbvJuQZxSWSsgRAhl5AKC9miWUAETzwdfZ/oL0R+c2PQDNvgCfd6hg 8iqkEakHQCDlGjtrz7uRdCI= =KeJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
In the last exciting episode, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joshua D. Drake) wrote:
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
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I have been looking at the migration of Gborg lately. It looks like the
only two active projects on that site are Slony, and pljava. Libpqxx has
recently moved to their own Trac site.
There are definitely more than that.
? like? I am not saying you are wrong, but I didn't see much.
1. We set a read only date of 12/31/06
2. We set a shut down date of 03/31/07
I don't have a problem per se with shutting down gborg, but there
are some
questions to answer/problems to resolve first:
1) Have the project maintainers been sent an email yet? (as promised
multiple times)?
Well that is kind of the point of this whole thread. To solidify this
now and get it done (including communication with maintainers)
Consider the Slony-I group informed. :-)
We're close to release of version 1.2; moving to pgFoundry is high on
the ToDo list after that, which is pretty compatible with a December
31st close date.
3) Is there a migration guide or documentation somewhere?
I think you missed my point. There is no migration, except the
important of the mbox files and moving of the cvs repo. All tickets
etc... are the responsibility of the project.
Right. The ticketing system on pgFoundry is sufficiently more
sophisticated that it seems to me to make more sense to manually deal
with them...
5) Is subversion available? This is not a must, but a strong nice to have
and having it would be a good indication that a) someone is actively working
on the site, and b) someone is willing to help pgfoundry move forward
in the future.
This is actually part of a thread I started on Gforge-admins. It will
be available, it just isn't yet.
We had been putting things off based on that not yet being available,
but that seemed to be a mistake. It would be nice to have Subversion,
but I'm disinclined to hold my breath...
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[GENERAL] Cutting the Gborg throat
Hello, I have been looking at the migration of Gborg lately. It looks like the only two active projects on that site are Slony, and pljava. Libpqxx has recently moved to their own Trac site. I would like to suggest the following course of action. 1. We set a read only date of 12/31/06 This means that all login capability, register capability, mailing lists, bug tracking, cvs etc... will be shut off. It will only be up for reference. 2. We set a shut down date of 03/31/07 This means it is down, rm -rf, whatever it takes. Why? Because past performance on the migration of gborg to pgfoundry has shown that it will not be done, regardless of who volunteers or who *thinks* they have time to do it. So what will this really take? 1. The respective project members need to register their projects with pgfoundry. 2. The respective project members need to migrate their tickets if they see fit. 3. The respective members need to register the email lists they want. 4. There needs to be communication between one project at a time to arrange a cut-over of their mailing lists. We have the ability to import mbox files into mailman so their mail archives will be preserved. Question: How is CVS handled on Gborg? Do they have their own repos? If so we can just move them to pgfoundry yes? Except for the pending screaming and yelling... is there really anything wrong with this? To cut a few things off at the pass: I think it is completely reasonable that we ask fellow community members to help in their own migration as this is a gratis service. I also think if those members were asked, they would be happy to help. I am willing to have Devrim and Darcy help with this. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
