Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
On 2010-12-01 09.26, Andrus wrote: Thom, You can list available locales on your system with: locale -a Thank you. How to resolve this issue if only 5432 port is open in server ? Maybe asking the sysadmin of that host to return the result of "locale -a"? Btw, are you sure et_EE.UTF-8 is installed on the host? Based on my limited knowledge, postgres does not have command to run "locale -a" How to get list of available locale names from Postgres ? Why Postgres does not have command which returns available locale names ? How to use same locale names in every platform? Andrus. -- Regards, Robert "roppert" Gravsjö -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
On 12/02/2010 02:49 AM, Alban Hertroys wrote: Because, as opposed to the developers of the projects that you're apparently familiar with, the Postgres developers have common sense ;) Seriously though, functionality like that has no place in a database server. That's the responsibility of the OS, or if it lacks in that respect, for third-party tools. I can't say I entirely agree with that. PostgreSQL exposes locale names for input, and it'd be helpful for users to have a way to determine what the range of accepted input values is. If it was as simple as providing a proc to list supported locale names, I'd say it'd be worth a few port/ files. However: Knowing which values are acceptable locale names still doesn't help you understand what they mean and what their consequences are. You'd also need a way to get charset names at minimum - and not all OS-supported charsets are supported by Pg. Pg's confusing "half-in-the-OS, half-in-the-database-server" charset/collation/encoding handling doesn't simplify things here. An alternative would be to provide standard, portable names in Pg and translate them to OS-specific names. Nobody sane would want to go there given the choice, though, given that locales on different OSes are rarely perfectly equivalent. The WINxxx and CPxxx encodings vs LATIN-xx encodings are only one stumbling point; there are also issues with differing TZDATA and DST rules and all sorts of other horrors. So: Listing locales, probably filtered by supported charset(s), would be nice, but given Pg's current partial dependence on the OS for handling charset and locale issues, might be as confusing as it is helpful. If Pg ever gets full locale and collation support internally it'd be a no-brainer. (Of course, if Pg does its own collation and locale handling later there'll be issues with inconsistencies between OS and Pg handling. Argh! You cannot win.) -- Craig Ringer -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
On 1 Dec 2010, at 21:46, Andrus wrote: > Alban, > >> Seriously though, functionality like that has no place in a database server. >> That's the responsibility of the OS, or if it lacks in that respect, for >> third-party tools. > > Thank you. > So only portable way is to probe Postgres 9 locales using CREATE DATABASE > command with expected locale names hoping that some call suceeds? Well... if you really have to insist on using Postgres to determine system locales, I suppose you could do that - just like you can use a crane to park your car. It's not a very sensible thing to attempt before looking at alternative solutions though. I imagine there must be tools for that purpose, or otherwise some programming language will probably have functions for this that you can use. Using the database server for this would be the last thing I'd try. I can't say I'm too well-versed in locale usage though, I usually just stick with English. Alban Hertroys -- Screwing up is an excellent way to attach something to the ceiling. !DSPAM:737,4cf6cd4e802658319426940! -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
Alban, Seriously though, functionality like that has no place in a database server. That's the responsibility of the OS, or if it lacks in that respect, for third-party tools. Thank you. So only portable way is to probe Postgres 9 locales using CREATE DATABASE command with expected locale names hoping that some call suceeds? Andrus. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
On 1 Dec 2010, at 15:15, Andrus wrote: >> There is no portable operating system interface to get the names of all >> locales. > > Thank you. > Why postgres does not use conditional directives like > > #ifdef WINDOWS > ... > #endif > > #ifdef LINUX > .. > #endif > > to return list of available locales ? Because, as opposed to the developers of the projects that you're apparently familiar with, the Postgres developers have common sense ;) Seriously though, functionality like that has no place in a database server. That's the responsibility of the OS, or if it lacks in that respect, for third-party tools. Alban Hertroys -- Screwing up is an excellent way to attach something to the ceiling. !DSPAM:737,4cf698ed802651815816680! -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
There is no portable operating system interface to get the names of all locales. Thank you. Why postgres does not use conditional directives like #ifdef WINDOWS ... #endif #ifdef LINUX .. #endif to return list of available locales ? Andrus. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
On ons, 2010-12-01 at 10:26 +0200, Andrus wrote: > How to get list of available locale names from Postgres ? > Why Postgres does not have command which returns available locale > names ? > How to use same locale names in every platform? There is no portable operating system interface to get the names of all locales. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
On 01/12/2010 08:26, Andrus wrote: Thom, You can list available locales on your system with: locale -a Thank you. How to resolve this issue if only 5432 port is open in server ? Based on my limited knowledge, postgres does not have command to run "locale -a" How to get list of available locale names from Postgres ? This is a *nix command, not a PostgreSQL one, so just enter it at the Linux shell prompt. Why Postgres does not have command which returns available locale names ? "show server_encoding;" will tell you the encoding of the database to which you're currently connected. I'm not sure how you find out what's available, but the docs may help: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/charset.html How to use same locale names in every platform? See the docs above. Ray. -- Raymond O'Donnell :: Galway :: Ireland r...@iol.ie -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
Thom, You can list available locales on your system with: locale -a Thank you. How to resolve this issue if only 5432 port is open in server ? Based on my limited knowledge, postgres does not have command to run "locale -a" How to get list of available locale names from Postgres ? Why Postgres does not have command which returns available locale names ? How to use same locale names in every platform? Andrus. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
2010/11/30 Andrus :
> I tried in Debian ("PostgreSQL 9.0.1 on x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by
> GCC gcc-4.4.real (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5, 64-bit") :
>
> 1. CREATE DATABASE "mydb" WITH TEMPLATE=template0
> LC_COLLATE='Estonian_Estonia.1257' LC_CTYPE='Estonian_Estonia.1257'
> OWNER="mydb_owner" ENCODING='UNICODE'
>
> 2. CREATE DATABASE "mydb" WITH TEMPLATE=template0 LC_COLLATE='et_EE.UTF-8'
> LC_CTYPE='et_EE.UTF-8' OWNER="mydb_owner" ENCODING='UNICODE'
>
> 3. 2. CREATE DATABASE "mydb" WITH TEMPLATE=template0 LC_COLLATE='et_EE.UTF8'
> LC_CTYPE='et_EE.UTF8' OWNER="mydb_owner" ENCODING='UNICODE'
>
> in all cases same error
>
> invalid locale name
>
> occurs.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. How to find correct locale name for Estonian in Debian Linux ?
> In Windows case (1) works.
You can list available locales on your system with: locale -a
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[GENERAL] How to find correct locale name for CREATE DATABASE
I tried in Debian ("PostgreSQL 9.0.1 on x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by
GCC gcc-4.4.real (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5, 64-bit") :
1. CREATE DATABASE "mydb" WITH TEMPLATE=template0
LC_COLLATE='Estonian_Estonia.1257' LC_CTYPE='Estonian_Estonia.1257'
OWNER="mydb_owner" ENCODING='UNICODE'
2. CREATE DATABASE "mydb" WITH TEMPLATE=template0 LC_COLLATE='et_EE.UTF-8'
LC_CTYPE='et_EE.UTF-8' OWNER="mydb_owner" ENCODING='UNICODE'
3. 2. CREATE DATABASE "mydb" WITH TEMPLATE=template0
LC_COLLATE='et_EE.UTF8'
LC_CTYPE='et_EE.UTF8' OWNER="mydb_owner" ENCODING='UNICODE'
in all cases same error
invalid locale name
occurs.
Questions:
1. How to find correct locale name for Estonian in Debian Linux ?
In Windows case (1) works.
2. How to create portable CREATE DATABASE command for estonian locale which
works in all operating systems?
3. Or how to detect OS from PostgreSql server and select correct Estonian
locale ?
Andrus.
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