Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
On 3/9/15 3:56 AM, wambacher wrote: Hi paul just found my system (24 GB Mem, 72 GB Swap) running nearly at it's limits: The current vaccum is using 66.7 GB (sixty-six dot seven) GB of memory and my System is nearly down. I'm sorry, but that must be an bug. Remember: It's the Analyze of an GIN-Index that is making that problems. Various tables - same Problem. Regards walter http://postgresql.nabble.com/file/n5841074/top.png duríng the last 10 Minutes vaccum took one more GB, now it's using 67.5 if mem. should i ask at the dev-list? Open a ticket? Sorry for the late reply. Yes, that sounds like a bug in the GIN code. Please post to pgsql-bugs or hit http://www.postgresql.org/support/submitbug/ -- Jim Nasby, Data Architect, Blue Treble Consulting Data in Trouble? Get it in Treble! http://BlueTreble.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Hi paul just found my system (24 GB Mem, 72 GB Swap) running nearly at it's limits: The current vaccum is using 66.7 GB (sixty-six dot seven) GB of memory and my System is nearly down. I'm sorry, but that must be an bug. Remember: It's the Analyze of an GIN-Index that is making that problems. Various tables - same Problem. Regards walter http://postgresql.nabble.com/file/n5841074/top.png duríng the last 10 Minutes vaccum took one more GB, now it's using 67.5 if mem. should i ask at the dev-list? Open a ticket? -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5841074.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
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Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Hi, some final results: I monitored the vaccum process and logged some data using one big table and doing analyze/vaccum by hand. Table has two btree-indexes and one gin. maintenance_work_mem was 1GB. the analyze job used abot 1.2 GB virt mem during the whole task, no problems at all. The vacuum josb started with 3.3 GB and after processing the two simple indexes it used up to 5.5 GB of Vmem going down to 2.3 GB for the final work. http://postgresql.nabble.com/file/n5840914/pidstat.png This lead to out of memory problems during the last days. The vacuum of the first table (planet_osm_ways) used *upto 12 GB* until the OOM-Killer killed him. Sorry, but *why do analyze and vacuum ignore maintenance_work_mem?* I have no control about memory usage and ran in big trouble. Now i added 50GB swap to my 24GB system and have to cross my fingers. regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840914.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Karsten Hilbert wrote Of course, I am not suggesting you provide 48GB of swap and your problem is magically solved _but_ one thing we might take away from that old adage is that one might hope things to work better (say, while debugging) if there is at least as much swap as there is physical RAM based on the naive assumption that in this case 'everything can be swapped out'. no problem at all, got TBytes of free Diskpace. -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840781.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
wambacher wrote hi, waiting for the index (104/121GB), i read his document http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/kernel-resources.html#LINUX-MEMORY-OVERCOMMIT and will do some changes before the next analyze: some comments: - the OOM did not kill the Postmaster but the Analyze-Job. - started with 24GB real and 18GB Swap - that must be enought! -- killed - will reduce shared_mem from 1GB to 512 MB - will reduce max_connections to 100 (but no user was actice, the applications are down) - will do sysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=2 (just did it) - may do echo -1000 /proc/self/oom_score_adj but only if the other actions fail - the last steps for older kernels are not relevant, i'm running ubuntu 14.04 LTS, which is 3.13 i'll keep you informed. regards walter very strange, after clustering, recreating the gis-index and changing nothing else no poblems at all. may be the index was corrupt? or there was so much reorganization needed that analyze run in trouble? i'll do most of the changes now, reboot and bring my system live again. Let's see whats happening the next days. Thanks to all walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840786.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
hi, waiting for the index (104/121GB), i read his document http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/kernel-resources.html#LINUX-MEMORY-OVERCOMMIT and will do some changes before the next analyze: some comments: - the OOM did not kill the Postmaster but the Analyze-Job. - started with 24GB real and 18GB Swap - that must be enought! -- killed - will reduce shared_mem from 1GB to 512 MB - will reduce max_connections to 100 (but no user was actice, the applications are down) - will do sysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=2 (just did it) - may do echo -1000 /proc/self/oom_score_adj but only if the other actions fail - the last steps for older kernels are not relevant, i'm running ubuntu 14.04 LTS, which is 3.13 i'll keep you informed. regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840772.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 02:39:34AM -0700, wambacher wrote: some comments: - the OOM did not kill the Postmaster but the Analyze-Job. - started with 24GB real and 18GB Swap - that must be enought! -- killed Back in the days it was conventional wisdom to have twice as much swap as you've got physical memory. Of course, I am not suggesting you provide 48GB of swap and your problem is magically solved _but_ one thing we might take away from that old adage is that one might hope things to work better (say, while debugging) if there is at least as much swap as there is physical RAM based on the naive assumption that in this case 'everything can be swapped out'. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ eu.pool.sks-keyservers.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Jim Nasby-5 wrote Which is it? Is the vacuum process is using 1.2GB (5% of memory) or is it using 90% (~22GB)? i ran the job 2-3 times. - first with 18GB swap too. I heared it thrashing, performance went extremly down and after 2 hours i killed the job (reboot system, no other way to do it) - next without swap: i monitored the system with hmon and the vacuum task was getting bigger and bigger until oom killed it. VIRT at about 20.x GB, MEM% at 80-90% At this time i called for help. - next: rebuilt the gin-index without fastupdate=off to use the default. - vacuum planet_osm_ways on console - VIRT about 1.2 GB, MEM% about 3.4% on HTOP - crashed again, system logs are attached saying OOM killed him, but using about 1.2 GB, which is fine to me (and you) - dropped index, clustered, vacuum -- no problems - recreating of gin index is still running. 96/121 GB, some hours to go. waiting for next test. reporting a size of 1.2GB doesn't surprise me at all (assuming it's including shared memory in there). This is starting to sound like a regular OOM problem. Have you tried the steps in http://postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/kernel-resources.html#LINUX-MEMORY-OVERCOMMIT not yet, but i'll check it right now. Regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840765.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Hi, in my first post you can see all params: maintenance_work_mem = 64MB and two workers. i configured my system to the absolutely minimum ( got 24 GB real memory) and the problem was still there. Last night i rebuilt one index (122GB Size) and just in this minutes i started a manual analyze verbose planet_osm_ways to see whats happening. this will need some hours. Regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840685.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
... this will need some hours. Done after 30 Minutes :) nearly 50% dead rows - strange. Now i'll run a vacuum verbose planet_osm_ways because the system crashed during the autovacuum. cross my fingers. Walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840688.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
crashed: no idea what to do now. walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840696.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
On 3/5/15 2:06 PM, wambacher wrote: crashed: no idea what to do now. Crashed? Or hit by the OOM killer? What's the log say? While this is going on you might as well disable autovac for that table. It'll keep crashing and will interfere with your manual vacuums. It sounds at this point like the problem is in vacuuming, not analyze. Can you confirm? If so, please forgo analyzing the table until we can get vacuum figured out. What's the largest memory size that a vacuum/autovac against that table gets to compared to other backends? You meantioned 80-90% of memory before, but I don't know if that was for analyze or what. I wonder if we have some kind of memory leak in GIN's vacuum support... -- Jim Nasby, Data Architect, Blue Treble Consulting Data in Trouble? Get it in Treble! http://BlueTreble.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Jim Nasby-5 wrote On 3/5/15 2:06 PM, wambacher wrote: Crashed? Or hit by the OOM killer? What's the log say? killed by OOM, but has only 1.2 GB mem, which is ok to me. While this is going on you might as well disable autovac for that table. It'll keep crashing and will interfere with your manual vacuums. did it this morning, the crash was running vacuum verbose planet_osm_ways by cli. It sounds at this point like the problem is in vacuuming, not analyze. Can you confirm? If so, please forgo analyzing the table until we can get vacuum figured out. yes, it's the vacuum task. What's the largest memory size that a vacuum/autovac against that table gets to compared to other backends? You meantioned 80-90% of memory before, but I don't know if that was for analyze or what. vacuum I wonder if we have some kind of memory leak in GIN's vacuum support... may be. At least i did: - droped the gin-index - cluster - analyze - vacuum all without any problems. now i'll add the index again and tomorrow do another vacuum by hand. 2:30 in germany, feeling tired ;) Regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840730.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
On 3/5/15 7:36 PM, wambacher wrote: Jim Nasby-5 wrote On 3/5/15 2:06 PM, wambacher wrote: Crashed? Or hit by the OOM killer? What's the log say? killed by OOM, but has only 1.2 GB mem, which is ok to me. Ok, but... What's the largest memory size that a vacuum/autovac against that table gets to compared to other backends? You meantioned 80-90% of memory before, but I don't know if that was for analyze or what. vacuum Which is it? Is the vacuum process is using 1.2GB (5% of memory) or is it using 90% (~22GB)? BTW, with 1GB shared buffers and 64MB maintenance_work_mem top reporting a size of 1.2GB doesn't surprise me at all (assuming it's including shared memory in there). This is starting to sound like a regular OOM problem. Have you tried the steps in http://postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/kernel-resources.html#LINUX-MEMORY-OVERCOMMIT ? -- Jim Nasby, Data Architect, Blue Treble Consulting Data in Trouble? Get it in Treble! http://BlueTreble.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
wambacher wnordm...@gmx.de wrote: watching the memory usage of the autovaccum process: is was getting bigger and bigger at nearly constant speed. some MB per minute, iir. What are your settings for maintenance_work_mem and autovacuum_max_workers? -- Kevin Grittner EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Circling back on this one, I had a look at our analyze code. I found one place where *maybe* we weren't freeing memory and freed it, but analyzing a 2M record table I barely see any bump up in memory usage (from 22M up to 24M at peak) during analyze. And the change I made didn't appear to alter that (though the objects were probably all small enough that they weren't being detoasted into copies in any event). Though maybe with a really big table? (with really big objects?) Though still, doesn't analyze just pull a limited sample (30K approx max) so why would table size make any difference after a certain point? P. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: wambacher wnordm...@gmx.de writes: My system has 24GB of real memory but after some hours one autovacuum worker is using 80-90% of memory, the OOM-Killer (out of memory killer) kills the process with kill -9 and the postgresql-server is restarting because of that problem. i changed the base configuration to use very small buffers, restartetd the server twice but the problem still exists. i think, it's allways the same table and that table is huge: 111GB data and 3 Indices with 4GB, 128 GB and 12 GB. It's the table planet_osm_ways from openstreetmap. maybe that helps. Maybe you could reduce the statistics targets for that table. I think we've heard that the analyze functions for PostGIS data types are memory hogs, too --- maybe it's worth inquiring about that on the postgis mailing lists. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Paul Ramsey wrote Though maybe with a really big table? (with really big objects?) Though still, doesn't analyze just pull a limited sample (30K approx max) so why would table size make any difference after a certain point? Hi paul, my table is quite big (about 293.049.000 records) but the objects are not. nodes[] contains maximal 2000 bigint and tags[] up to some hundred chars, sometimes some thousands chars. watching the memory usage of the autovaccum process: is was getting bigger and bigger at nearly constant speed. some MB per minute, iir. i'm just recreating planet_osm_ways_nodes without fastupdate=off regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840485.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Roxanne Reid-Bennett wrote Most definitely ask on the Postgis list. Identify the full Postgis version and Postgres versions as well. Hi Roxanne, seconds before sending it to the postgis-list i checked the table planet_osm_ways and there is no geometry: That can't be a postgis problem. I'll check fastupdate and the other hints, i got yesterday But here the missing infos: Regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840452.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Hi, running postgresql on ubuntu for many years, but now i'm in big trouble. My system has 24GB of real memory but after some hours one autovacuum worker is using 80-90% of memory, the OOM-Killer (out of memory killer) kills the process with kill -9 and the postgresql-server is restarting because of that problem. i changed the base configuration to use very small buffers, restartetd the server twice but the problem still exists. i think, it's allways the same table and that table is huge: 111GB data and 3 Indices with 4GB, 128 GB and 12 GB. It's the table planet_osm_ways from openstreetmap. maybe that helps. without running server 8GB are user by other programs and 16GB are free. no idea whats going on. regards walter -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
wambacher wnordm...@gmx.de writes: My system has 24GB of real memory but after some hours one autovacuum worker is using 80-90% of memory, the OOM-Killer (out of memory killer) kills the process with kill -9 and the postgresql-server is restarting because of that problem. i changed the base configuration to use very small buffers, restartetd the server twice but the problem still exists. i think, it's allways the same table and that table is huge: 111GB data and 3 Indices with 4GB, 128 GB and 12 GB. It's the table planet_osm_ways from openstreetmap. maybe that helps. Maybe you could reduce the statistics targets for that table. I think we've heard that the analyze functions for PostGIS data types are memory hogs, too --- maybe it's worth inquiring about that on the postgis mailing lists. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Tom Lane-2 wrote Maybe you could reduce the statistics targets for that table. don't understand what you mean. do you mean how often that table is autovacuumed? at the moment about once a day or once in two days, i think. I think we've heard that the analyze functions for PostGIS data types are memory hogs, too --- maybe it's worth inquiring about that on the postgis mailing listl good idea and yes, it's a table with postgis-geometries and the corresponding indices. will ask the postgis guys too. at the moment i disabled autovacuum but i'll need it soon again, because the server is running 24/7 and data is changing permantly. thanks walter btw: no big problems in my mini-config, ok? -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840305.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
wambacher wnordm...@gmx.de writes: Tom Lane-2 wrote Maybe you could reduce the statistics targets for that table. don't understand what you mean. do you mean how often that table is autovacuumed? at the moment about once a day or once in two days, i think. No, I mean the amount of stats detail that ANALYZE tries to collect. I'm guessing that it's not auto-vacuum but auto-analyze that's getting OOMed. See ALTER TABLE SET STATISTICS TARGET. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
Tom Lane-2 wrote See ALTER TABLE SET STATISTICS TARGET. thanks, will try it regards walter btw: the postgis analyze problem has been fixed more than one year ago, but i'll ask them too. -- View this message in context: http://postgresql.nabble.com/autovacuum-worker-running-amok-and-me-too-tp5840299p5840313.html Sent from the PostgreSQL - general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] autovacuum worker running amok - and me too ;)
On 3/3/2015 6:17 PM, Tom Lane wrote: wambacher wnordm...@gmx.de writes: My system has 24GB of real memory but after some hours one autovacuum worker is using 80-90% of memory, the OOM-Killer (out of memory killer) kills the process with kill -9 and the postgresql-server is restarting because of that problem. i changed the base configuration to use very small buffers, restartetd the server twice but the problem still exists. i think, it's allways the same table and that table is huge: 111GB data and 3 Indices with 4GB, 128 GB and 12 GB. It's the table planet_osm_ways from openstreetmap. maybe that helps. Maybe you could reduce the statistics targets for that table. I think we've heard that the analyze functions for PostGIS data types are memory hogs, too --- maybe it's worth inquiring about that on the postgis mailing lists. Most definitely ask on the Postgis list. Identify the full Postgis version and Postgres versions as well. We had a case on a trial upgrade (9.1 to 9.3 and Postgis upgrade (2.0-2.1)) where analyze was running amok memory wise on 3 tables with geometry types. (posted on this list) Unfortunately the VM that system was on got corrupted and I wasn't able to provide the data for a test scenario to Paul Ramsey - so never filed the bug report. (perhaps the VM was the issue and NOT the upgrade...) At the time, we ended up NOT upgrading the production box due this issue potentially being a show stopper. I've also never tried to re-create the upgrade stack to test it out on a current copy of the data. Roxanne regards, tom lane -- [At other schools] I think the most common fault in general is to teach students how to pass exams instead of teaching them the science. Donald Knuth -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
