Re: [GENERAL] tables with lots of columns - what alternative from performance point of view?

[hubert depesz lubaczewski]

On 12/7/05, Oleg Bartunov  wrote:
contrib/hstore will save you.See http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/postgres/gist/hstore/README.hstorefor details.

thanks. i didn't know about it, and it looks great. but i'm not sure if
we will be able to use it - my developers use java + hibernate, and
they say it cannot work with any "fancy" datatypes (including such a
base things like "INTERVAL").
i will definitelly use is though in my other (not hibernate-dependant) projects.

best regards

depesz

Re: [GENERAL] tables with lots of columns - what alternative from

[Oleg Bartunov]

contrib/hstore will save you.
See http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/postgres/gist/hstore/README.hstore
for details.

Oleg
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, hubert depesz lubaczewski wrote:


hi
jus recently there were some thread on postgresql list with people asying :
i have 700 columns, i have 1000 columns and so on.
some people, imediatelly responded: change your schema.
this is what forced to me ask:

i have a situation where i ahve to store a number of "objects" in database.
all objects have 3 specific attributes (which go into objects table), and
may have a lot of "custom fields".
basically - lsit of accessible custom fields for object depends on which
object-category this object belongs to.
now.
i know, i could have written it in this way:

create table object_custom_fields (id serial primary key, object_id int8,
field_id int8, field_value text);
but:
this approach has two very big drawbacks (for me):
1. the table cannot differentiate between custom fields of type "date",
"number" and so on. - everything is stored as text.
2. it is rather slow. i have to do a non-unique index scan over
object_custom_fields, get all records, and pivot it (on the client side of
curse) to make it usable.

i did it differently, definitelly not nicely, but i dont see any other way
to get this performance with unknown list of custom fields:
1. create table cf_types (id serial, codename text, representation text);
2. create table cf_definitions (id serial, category_id int8, type_id int8,
field-number int4);
3. create table cf_values (id serial, object_id int8 (unique),
...);

where
cf_types store information like this:
id |  codename  | representation
++
 1 | bool   | boolean
 2 | integer| integer
 3 | number | number
 4 | text   | text
 5 | note   | text
 6 | date   | date
...
basically - there might be many "types" with the same representation.
then
cf_values have a lot of (128 at the moment) fields for all possible
representations.
basically it looks like:
id, object_id, boolean_1 ... boolean_128, integer_1..integer_128, ...
the datatypes of this fields relate to their content (integer_* fields have
datatype int8, and so on).

now.
in cf_definitions i specify, category, field_type_id, and a field-number -
which relates to _NUMBER in fields in cf_values.

what i did achive is *very* fast retrieval of data for any given object.
the schema of cf_values table is absolutelly awful, and i will never say
differently.
my point is - if somebody (tom lane for example) says - redesign your schema
- whenever he reads about table with 700 column (i have more :) - then i
must have missed something absolutelyl simple, fast and elegant. what is
this?

depesz



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[GENERAL] tables with lots of columns - what alternative from performance point of view?

[hubert depesz lubaczewski]

hi
jus recently there were some thread on postgresql list with people asying : i have 700 columns, i have 1000 columns and so on.
some people, imediatelly responded: change your schema.
this is what forced to me ask:

i have a situation where i ahve to store a number of "objects" in database.
all objects have 3 specific attributes (which go into objects table), and may have a lot of "custom fields".
basically - lsit of accessible custom fields for object depends on which object-category this object belongs to.
now.
i know, i could have written it in this way:

create table object_custom_fields (id serial primary key, object_id int8, field_id int8, field_value text);
but:
this approach has two very big drawbacks (for me):
1. the table cannot differentiate between custom fields of type "date", "number" and so on. - everything is stored as text.
2. it is rather slow. i have to do a non-unique index scan over
object_custom_fields, get all records, and pivot it (on the client side
of curse) to make it usable.

i did it differently, definitelly not nicely, but i dont see any other
way to get this performance with unknown list of custom fields:
1. create table cf_types (id serial, codename text, representation text);
2. create table cf_definitions (id serial, category_id int8, type_id int8, field-number int4);
3. create table cf_values (id serial, object_id int8 (unique), ...);

where
cf_types store information like this:
 id |  codename  | representation 
++
  1 | bool   | boolean
  2 | integer    | integer
  3 | number | number
  4 | text   | text
  5 | note   | text
  6 | date   | date
...
basically - there might be many "types" with the same representation.
then
cf_values have a lot of (128 at the moment) fields for all possible representations.
basically it looks like:
id, object_id, boolean_1 ... boolean_128, integer_1..integer_128, ...
the datatypes of this fields relate to their content (integer_* fields have datatype int8, and so on).

now.
in cf_definitions i specify, category, field_type_id, and a field-number - which relates to _NUMBER in fields in cf_values.

what i did achive is *very* fast retrieval of data for any given object.
the schema of cf_values table is absolutelly awful, and i will never say differently.
my point is - if somebody (tom lane for example) says - redesign your
schema - whenever he reads about table with 700 column (i have more :)
- then i must have missed something absolutelyl simple, fast and
elegant. what is this?

depesz