Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-13 Thread Venkat Balaji
Yes. I would be excited to know if there is a possibility of multi-master
replication system on Postgres.

We will be soon using 9.1 Streaming replication.

Thanks
Venkat

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin 
atsaloli.t...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations on the release of 9.1.0!

 Lots of great features, I for one can't wait to try out unlogged
 tables, that should help a lot in our environment.

 Now that you have streaming replication both async and sync, are you
 working on multi-master replication?  *excited*  Or what's the
 roadmap?

 Thanks again and keep up the great work!

 Aleksey

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-13 Thread Leonardo Carneiro
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Venkat Balaji venkat.bal...@verse.inwrote:

 Yes. I would be excited to know if there is a possibility of multi-master
 replication system on Postgres.

 We will be soon using 9.1 Streaming replication.

 Thanks
 Venkat


 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin 
 atsaloli.t...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations on the release of 9.1.0!

 Lots of great features, I for one can't wait to try out unlogged
 tables, that should help a lot in our environment.

 Now that you have streaming replication both async and sync, are you
 working on multi-master replication?  *excited*  Or what's the
 roadmap?

 Thanks again and keep up the great work!

 Aleksey

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There is any doc about this feature:

   - Add protocol support for sending file system backups to standby servers
   using the streaming replication network connection (Magnus Hagander, Heikki
   Linnakangas)
   This avoids the requirement of manually transferring a file system backup
   when setting up a standby server.

?

It's a very, VERY welcome feature. Tks to all developers, testers and other
people involved in the great software.


Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-13 Thread John R Pierce

On 09/12/11 1:01 PM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:

Now that you have streaming replication both async and sync, are you
working on multi-master replication?


general case multimaster replication is extremely hard to do 'right'.   
all solutions compromise data integrity and/or create huge performance 
bottlenecks.




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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-13 Thread Craig Ringer

On 09/13/2011 04:01 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:

Congratulations on the release of 9.1.0!

Lots of great features, I for one can't wait to try out unlogged
tables, that should help a lot in our environment.

Now that you have streaming replication both async and sync, are you
working on multi-master replication?  *excited*  Or what's the
roadmap?


I haven't heard anything about multimaster, but if you're interested, 
search the archives of the pgsql-hackers mailing list for discussions on it.


Personally I can't see SR being helpful as the base of an MM 
implementation; it's totally reliant on the idea of one server being the 
source of all WAL data. I suspect that MM would have to be a completely 
different affair. I know a lot of people are dubious about MM because of 
its inherent performance limitations and the difficulty of getting it to 
be both correct and even vaguely fast-ish. You need shared storage or 
some protocol for doing I/O via other masters; you need a network 
locking protocol that handles the numerous kinds of locking required and 
somehow does it fast, etc. The network locking protocol alone would be a 
major effort, especially as you'd want to do optimistic locking where 
possible. That's where transactions don't block, instead they fail on 
commit if a conflicting transaction already committed.


Personally I'm vaguely interested in the idea of selective replication, 
where some tables or databases can be omitted from replication (or even 
sent to a different replication client) but still WAL-logged and 
crash-safe on the master. Doing this with tablespace granularity would 
possibly make sense. Pg already stores heap data as individual files, 
one or more per index/table/etc, so if it could split WAL-logging out 
into per-tablespace logs then some clients could elect not to carry some 
tablespaces, and they could be treated as unlogged tables on that client.


That said, vaguely interested in means I haven't the time to even 
begin learning the appropriate parts of the codebase, nor the enthusiasm 
for it. I don't need the feature and don't even use SR, I just know some 
others would benefit from it and have seen requests for selective 
replication here before.


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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake


On 09/13/2011 06:43 PM, Craig Ringer wrote:


On 09/13/2011 04:01 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:

Congratulations on the release of 9.1.0!

Lots of great features, I for one can't wait to try out unlogged
tables, that should help a lot in our environment.

Now that you have streaming replication both async and sync, are you
working on multi-master replication? *excited* Or what's the
roadmap?


I would take a look at postgres-r. It is under active and supported 
development.


Sincerely,

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:10, Toby Corkindale
toby.corkind...@strategicdata.com.au wrote:
 http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/release-9-1.html
 contains the line:
 Release Date: 2011-09-12

 *bounces excitedly*

 Has the release candidate gone final today?

Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
website documentation ahead of time.

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:40, Gavin Flower
gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz wrote:
 On 12/09/11 20:31, Magnus Hagander wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:10, Toby Corkindale
 toby.corkind...@strategicdata.com.au  wrote:

 http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/release-9-1.html
 contains the line:
 Release Date: 2011-09-12

 *bounces excitedly*

 Has the release candidate gone final today?

 Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
 website documentation ahead of time.

 Then how come was put on the download page over 24 hours ago?

We always put the files up on the ftpsite some time ahead to make sure
it hits all the mirrors. It's not officially released (and guaranteed)
until you see the announcement.

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:50, Gavin Flower
gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz wrote:
 On 12/09/11 20:44, Magnus Hagander wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:40, Gavin Flower
 gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz  wrote:

 On 12/09/11 20:31, Magnus Hagander wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:10, Toby Corkindale
 toby.corkind...@strategicdata.com.au    wrote:

 http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/release-9-1.html
 contains the line:
 Release Date: 2011-09-12

 *bounces excitedly*

 Has the release candidate gone final today?

 Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
 website documentation ahead of time.

 Then how come was put on the download page over 24 hours ago?

 We always put the files up on the ftpsite some time ahead to make sure
 it hits all the mirrors. It's not officially released (and guaranteed)
 until you see the announcement.

 So there is a probability (presumably very small) that the source may change
 - if a significant problem is discoved late in the process, but one that can
 be quickly fixed?

Yes.


 More interesting: how likely is the source to change, and what are the
 general guidelines associated with such a change?

It has happened once or twice in the past, but very seldom. What
happens is the version is removed again, a fix is applied, and a
re-release is done with a new version number.

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Gavin Flower

On 12/09/11 20:44, Magnus Hagander wrote:

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:40, Gavin Flower
gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz  wrote:

On 12/09/11 20:31, Magnus Hagander wrote:

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:10, Toby Corkindale
toby.corkind...@strategicdata.com.auwrote:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/release-9-1.html
contains the line:
Release Date: 2011-09-12

*bounces excitedly*

Has the release candidate gone final today?

Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
website documentation ahead of time.


Then how come was put on the download page over 24 hours ago?

We always put the files up on the ftpsite some time ahead to make sure
it hits all the mirrors. It's not officially released (and guaranteed)
until you see the announcement.

So there is a probability (presumably very small) that the source may 
change - if a significant problem is discoved late in the process, but 
one that can be quickly fixed?


More interesting: how likely is the source to change, and what are the 
general guidelines associated with such a change?



Cheers,
Gavin

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Gavin Flower

On 12/09/11 20:31, Magnus Hagander wrote:

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:10, Toby Corkindale
toby.corkind...@strategicdata.com.au  wrote:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/release-9-1.html
contains the line:
Release Date: 2011-09-12

*bounces excitedly*

Has the release candidate gone final today?

Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
website documentation ahead of time.


Then how come was put on the download page over 24 hours ago?

I already have it installed!

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 20:40 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
  Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
  website documentation ahead of time.
 
 Then how come was put on the download page over 24 hours ago?
 
 I already have it installed! 

PostgreSQL source code ships with no warranty ;)
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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Adrian Klaver
On Monday, September 12, 2011 1:50:24 am Gavin Flower wrote:

 
 So there is a probability (presumably very small) that the source may
 change - if a significant problem is discoved late in the process, but
 one that can be quickly fixed?


It has been officially released per announcement on  
pgsql-announce.

 
 More interesting: how likely is the source to change, and what are the
 general guidelines associated with such a change?
 
 
 Cheers,
 Gavin

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Gavin Flower

On 13/09/11 01:58, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:

On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 20:40 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:

Not yet. But we are planning to put it out, and we need to load the
website documentation ahead of time.


Then how come was put on the download page over 24 hours ago?

I already have it installed!

PostgreSQL source code ships with no warranty ;)


You mean I don't get my money back if I don't like it???  :-)

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 02:04 +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
 
  PostgreSQL source code ships with no warranty ;)
 
 You mean I don't get my money back if I don't like it???  :-) 

:)

FWIW, 9.1.0 was just officially announced. Enjoy!
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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane

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 You mean I don't get my money back if I don't like it???  :-)

Are you kidding? You get *twice* your money back, and you 
get to keep the product!

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Re: [GENERAL] Has Pg 9.1.0 been released today?

2011-09-12 Thread Aleksey Tsalolikhin
Congratulations on the release of 9.1.0!

Lots of great features, I for one can't wait to try out unlogged
tables, that should help a lot in our environment.

Now that you have streaming replication both async and sync, are you
working on multi-master replication?  *excited*  Or what's the
roadmap?

Thanks again and keep up the great work!

Aleksey

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