Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Gregory Stark

Alvaro Herrera  writes:

> Gregory Stark wrote:
>> Alvaro Herrera  writes:
>> 
>> Well cross-posting is especially annoying on subscriber-only moderated lists
>> such as ours. Anyone who follows up to an email who isn't subscribed to all
>> the lists will get bounce warnings for each list they're not on.
>
> Especially annoying?  You'll get a bounce warning.  That's all.  You
> don't have to do anything about it; just wait for the moderator to
> approve it.  In fact, when I (as the sender) get those, I just delete
> them.

You don't think getting bounces every time you respond to a message is
annoying? I get annoyed whenever a user posts with an address which bounces
and I get *really* annoyed at the similar case when someone's email address
has a broken mailer which bounces to people who post to the mailing list.

>> > (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
>> > pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)
>> 
>> Yeah, actually that doesn't work.
>
> Hmm, it doesn't work how?  I admit I haven't tried it, so I'm using this
> message as a test (I added Reply-To: pgsql-advoc...@postgresql.org)

Well this was a wide followup to your message, which I think failed to do what
you wanted. More dramatically if I had tried to reply personally to you your
Reply-To would redirect the personal message to the list.

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Gregory Stark wrote:
> > Alvaro Herrera  writes:

> > > (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
> > > pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)
> > 
> > Yeah, actually that doesn't work.
> 
> Hmm, it doesn't work how?  I admit I haven't tried it, so I'm using this
> message as a test (I added Reply-To: pgsql-advoc...@postgresql.org)

You're right, it doesn't seem to work :-(   Weird ...

/me drifts away in shame

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Gregory Stark wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera  writes:
> 
> > Cross posting is not necessarily bad; in fact it's regarded to be less
> > annoying than multiposting, which is what you did.  For argumentation,
> > see here
> > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html#why
> 
> Well cross-posting is especially annoying on subscriber-only moderated lists
> such as ours. Anyone who follows up to an email who isn't subscribed to all
> the lists will get bounce warnings for each list they're not on.

Especially annoying?  You'll get a bounce warning.  That's all.  You
don't have to do anything about it; just wait for the moderator to
approve it.  In fact, when I (as the sender) get those, I just delete
them.

(I admit that it is not as nice as on Usenet, which doesn't have the
whole "subscriber" concept so this is all moot.)

> > (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
> > pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)
> 
> Yeah, actually that doesn't work.

Hmm, it doesn't work how?  I admit I haven't tried it, so I'm using this
message as a test (I added Reply-To: pgsql-advoc...@postgresql.org)

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Gregory Stark
Alvaro Herrera  writes:

> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 18:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>
>> > In the future please do not spam multiple lists with the same message.
>> > Or rather, if you want the message to appear in more than one list,
>> > please CC them all in a single message instead of sending one message to
>> > each.
>> 
>> If we do that, we get cross posting. That is why I didn't.
>
> Cross posting is not necessarily bad; in fact it's regarded to be less
> annoying than multiposting, which is what you did.  For argumentation,
> see here
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html#why

Well cross-posting is especially annoying on subscriber-only moderated lists
such as ours. Anyone who follows up to an email who isn't subscribed to all
the lists will get bounce warnings for each list they're not on.

> (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
> pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)

Yeah, actually that doesn't work.

If you want to do that the only way to do it properly is to Bcc the various
lists with the To set to the list you want followups to go to.

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 20:18 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

> Cross posting is not necessarily bad; in fact it's regarded to be less
> annoying than multiposting, which is what you did.  For argumentation,
> see here
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html#why
> 
> (If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
> pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)

Hmm good point. I didn't think about that idea.


Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake


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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 18:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

> > In the future please do not spam multiple lists with the same message.
> > Or rather, if you want the message to appear in more than one list,
> > please CC them all in a single message instead of sending one message to
> > each.
> 
> If we do that, we get cross posting. That is why I didn't.

Cross posting is not necessarily bad; in fact it's regarded to be less
annoying than multiposting, which is what you did.  For argumentation,
see here
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html#why

(If you want it to be even more pain-free, add a Reply-To:
pgsql-advocacy header or some such.)

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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 18:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > It is now 2009 and time for a, "Thanks for all the laughs 2008!"
> 
> That's all great, congratulations.
> 
> In the future please do not spam multiple lists with the same message.
> Or rather, if you want the message to appear in more than one list,
> please CC them all in a single message instead of sending one message to
> each.

If we do that, we get cross posting. That is why I didn't.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake


> 
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Re: [GENERAL] PgUS 2008 end of year summary

2009-01-12 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> It is now 2009 and time for a, "Thanks for all the laughs 2008!"

That's all great, congratulations.

In the future please do not spam multiple lists with the same message.
Or rather, if you want the message to appear in more than one list,
please CC them all in a single message instead of sending one message to
each.

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