Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
dcor...@connx.com (Dann Corbit) writes: (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC). I know I've seen Monty say this sort of thing a lot of times, and his most recent rant (http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html) underlines it with his mistaken belief. He indicates, without any documentation of it, that there's some special GPL exception in Linux licensing, otherwise, presumably, commercial use of Linux would require, um, paying Linus or RMS or ??? some licensing fee for the proprietary version. While Linux is indeed distributed under the GPL, as is MySQL, Linux has an exception that allows anyone to run any kind of applications (including closed source applications) on top of Linux. You're not misreading what Monty said, but I think what he wrote was self-serving (to his ex-company) nonsense. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'acm.org'; http://linuxfinances.info/info/slony.html Yes, for sparkling white chip prints, use low SUDSing DRAW -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
Chris Browne wrote: dcor...@connx.com (Dann Corbit) writes: (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC). I know I've seen Monty say this sort of thing a lot of times, and his most recent rant (http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html) underlines it with his mistaken belief. I've heard that if you write a non-GPL program talking to a MySQL database in, say, PHP, does not require the program itself being GPL, only the PHP library that connects to MySQL. It's the library that links to MySQL, not your program, so your program is protected from GPL's viral nature. -- Alvaro Herrera -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
In response to Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@alvh.no-ip.org: Chris Browne wrote: dcor...@connx.com (Dann Corbit) writes: (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC). I know I've seen Monty say this sort of thing a lot of times, and his most recent rant (http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html) underlines it with his mistaken belief. I've heard that if you write a non-GPL program talking to a MySQL database in, say, PHP, does not require the program itself being GPL, only the PHP library that connects to MySQL. It's the library that links to MySQL, not your program, so your program is protected from GPL's viral nature. Which makes sense if you read the license, but has never been upheld in a court of law, thus is still on shaky legal ground. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 12:36 -0500, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@alvh.no-ip.org: Chris Browne wrote: dcor...@connx.com (Dann Corbit) writes: (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC). I know I've seen Monty say this sort of thing a lot of times, and his most recent rant (http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html) underlines it with his mistaken belief. I've heard that if you write a non-GPL program talking to a MySQL database in, say, PHP, does not require the program itself being GPL, only the PHP library that connects to MySQL. It's the library that links to MySQL, not your program, so your program is protected from GPL's viral nature. Which makes sense if you read the license, but has never been upheld in a court of law, thus is still on shaky legal ground. Can we move this thread to someplace relevant? This really has no place on this list. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
Maybe move this to the mysql mailing list ;) On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.comwrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 12:36 -0500, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@alvh.no-ip.org: Chris Browne wrote: dcor...@connx.com (Dann Corbit) writes: (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC). I know I've seen Monty say this sort of thing a lot of times, and his most recent rant ( http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html) underlines it with his mistaken belief. I've heard that if you write a non-GPL program talking to a MySQL database in, say, PHP, does not require the program itself being GPL, only the PHP library that connects to MySQL. It's the library that links to MySQL, not your program, so your program is protected from GPL's viral nature. Which makes sense if you read the license, but has never been upheld in a court of law, thus is still on shaky legal ground. Can we move this thread to someplace relevant? This really has no place on this list. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
Monty made his be, let him lie in it. I repeat, this if off-topic. Please drop it. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake(at)jabber(dot)postgresql(dot)org Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997 -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
Andrew, I don't think it's becoming of the Postgres community to gloat about this. Your contention that MySQL will get flushed down the drain sounds almost as misguided as Monty's contention that Oracle will divest in, and ultimately somehow kill MySQL as a means of cornering the RDBMS market. The reason that MySQL can boast having so many installs is because it is used in shared hosting shops around the world. I really strongly doubt that Oracle are entertaining the idea of moving those sorts of MySQL users (i.e. the majority) over to Oracle database - they want to find a way to extract money from them, if that's possible. They certainly won't have a monopoly on supporting MySQL that they can use as leverage. Even if Oracle *could* somehow kill MySQL, I think it's extremely unlikely that they'd be the beneficiary, and they know it. I say this as someone who is largely indifferent to what happens to MySQL, beyond the ramifications for PostgreSQL. Regards, Peter Geoghegan -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
-Original Message- From: pgsql-general-ow...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-general- ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Peter Geoghegan Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:23 PM To: Andrew Lardinois Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA Andrew, I don't think it's becoming of the Postgres community to gloat about this. Your contention that MySQL will get flushed down the drain sounds almost as misguided as Monty's contention that Oracle will divest in, and ultimately somehow kill MySQL as a means of cornering the RDBMS market. The reason that MySQL can boast having so many installs is because it is used in shared hosting shops around the world. I really strongly doubt that Oracle are entertaining the idea of moving those sorts of MySQL users (i.e. the majority) over to Oracle database - they want to find a way to extract money from them, if that's possible. They certainly won't have a monopoly on supporting MySQL that they can use as leverage. Even if Oracle *could* somehow kill MySQL, I think it's extremely unlikely that they'd be the beneficiary, and they know it. I say this as someone who is largely indifferent to what happens to MySQL, beyond the ramifications for PostgreSQL. I suspect that Oracle could be interested in collection of revenue from MySQL users who are using it commercially without a license in violation of the current license agreement for MySQL. (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC). Just a wild guess, of course. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
Dann Corbit wrote: I suspect that Oracle could be interested in collection of revenue from MySQL users who are using it commercially without a license in violation of the current license agreement for MySQL. (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC) I'm pretty sure this only applies to commercial software thats distributed -with- MySQL -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Andrew Lardinois lardin...@gmail.com wrote: Can't help myself, but I've used mysql in the past, and got on a list of some sort once upon a time about that. Just received an email petition from Monty to help save mysql. Certainly you know the story: Oracle buys Sun, which currently owns mysql, and the little dolphin get's flushed down the drain. Perhaps they should watch The Cove, a documentary about dolphins biting the dust. Be nice! I really think that Oracle owning MySQL could be the best thing to happen to it. If they put even a tiny percentage of their programming man power behind it they could have one of the fastest key-value databases in myisam storage, which is very useful for certain types of apps. They could also fix a lot of long standing mental retardation that's been allowed to live on forever (innodb tables ignoring column level FK constraints, no FTS on innodb etc). If they got it to the point that all the parts that burn with the stupid were fixed, it would be useful as a sales tool, step up kinda thing. Monty made his be, let him lie in it. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] Save MySQL? HA
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 21:08 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: Dann Corbit wrote: I suspect that Oracle could be interested in collection of revenue from MySQL users who are using it commercially without a license in violation of the current license agreement for MySQL. (Commercial use of MySQL without paying a license fee requires that projects using the database are also GPL, IIRC) I'm pretty sure this only applies to commercial software thats distributed -with- MySQL Guys, this is wholly off-topic. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
