Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-03-09 Thread Rick Ellis
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.

I stopped getting any mail from postgresql.org last fall. Repeated
attempts to subscribe have all been met with silence. Something 
appears to have changed.


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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-03-09 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Rick Ellis wrote:


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.


I stopped getting any mail from postgresql.org last fall. Repeated
attempts to subscribe have all been met with silence. Something
appears to have changed.


So how did you get this message? :(


Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-03-09 Thread Rick Ellis
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So how did you get this message? :(

Via Usenet.

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-03-09 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane

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 I stopped getting any mail from postgresql.org last fall. Repeated
 attempts to subscribe have all been met with silence. Something
 appears to have changed.

You are still subscribed, but your address was set to nomail. I've
flipped it back to normal; please let me know if you don't start seeing
messages again.

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-03-01 Thread Roman Neuhauser
Let me start this email by saying thank you to whoever fixed the
problem. I found a bunch of Welcome to... / Results from delayed
command message pairs in my mail this morning, and a batch of
messages from each of sql, performance, and hackers mailing lists.

# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-28 20:07:09 -0400:
 %mj_shell -p  who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 In fact, he's been registered since Jul '05:

Yes, that was the date I first received must be approved by
maintainers messages. However, I didn't receive any email to that
address until Monday when I retried the same

subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]

command, only this time I sent it from the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
address, not [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few minutes later, I had
majordomo's welcome to and the traffic started flowing in. My other
subscriptions (sql, hackers, performance) were in limbo until this
morning (CET).
 
   Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Address is valid.
   Address Mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Registered as
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Registered onWed Jul 27 06:44:37 2005
 Data last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
 Subscribed to1 lists
 
   pgsql-general:
 Subscribed as   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subscribed on   Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
 Last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
 Receiving   each message as it is posted
 Subscriber flags:

   prefix

That's strange, as you can see above, the command I sent was
subscribe-set $list noprefix, yet the listing shows prefix. I can
confirm that messages I receive from all the lists have munged
subjects, although I used subscribe-set noprefix in all
subscriptions.

 So I'm not 100% certain *what* the problem is :(

majordomo claimed I was subscribed, but didn't send me the traffic.

# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-03-01 04:07:13 -:
 Marc, I was able to view that weird whitespace message by going to
 Subcribers, entering neuhauser in the search box, and then clicking[1]
 on the troublesome name in question.

 Greg Sabino Mullane [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That's a completely different bug, the web interface doesn't escape
the +, which is then interpreted as urlencoded space. You might want
to make sure that the web interface protects the addresses it uses
as request parameters by encoding / decoding them according to
RFC1738. Otherwise, malicious users might be able to use specially
crafted email addresses as trojan horses.

Again, thanks for approving the subscriptions.

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-27 16:32:55 -0400:
 On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
 
 # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
 each of them ... are you not receiving messages?

(...)
 
 Can you try something more recent then last year?

Here's a copy of an email I sent you off list documenting
stalled-for-approval requests from yesterday.

: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:43:54 +0100
: From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?
: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Disposition: inline
: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i
: Status: RO
:
: Note: I've removed pgsql-general@ from the recipient list so as to
: reduce clutter. Feel free to add it again for you reply if you feel
: this is relevant on that list.
:
: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
:  On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
:  I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
:  my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
: 
:  the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests
:
: The above is false under *certain circumstances*. Marc, can you
: tell me what attribute(s) of these requests cause(s) majordomo to
: wait for approval?
:
: I've just had this exchange with [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only the hackers
: request is put here for brevity):
:
: : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:28:18 +0100
: : From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: :
: : subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
: : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:28:18 -0400
: : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : To: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : Subject: Majordomo results
: :
: :
: :  subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: :  The subscribe command did not succeed.
: : 
: :  The request
: :    subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: :  must be confirmed by
: :    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: :  and approved by the moderators.  Confirmation instructions have 
been
: :  mailed in a separate message.
: : 
:
: : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:28:17 -0400
: : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : Subject: BC9A-BD57-4C44 : CONFIRM from pgsql-hackers (subscribe)
: :
: : __
: : The following request
: :
: :   subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: :
: : was sent to
: : by Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED].
: :
: : To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
: (...)
:
: : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:29:11 +0100
: : From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : Subject: Re: BC9A-BD57-4C44 : CONFIRM from pgsql-hackers (subscribe)
: :
: : accept BC9A-BD57-4C44
:
: : Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:29:13 -0400
: : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : To: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : Subject: Majordomo results: Re: BC9A-BD57-4C44 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
: :
: :
: :  accept BC9A-BD57-4C44
: :  The accept command for token BC9A-BD57-4C44 succeeded,
: :  but further approval is needed.
: : 
: :  Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
: :  The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
: : 
: : 
: :
: : Valid commands processed: 1
: : 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
: :
: :
: : Use the following command:
: :   sessioninfo 530ce04b8a9f02fee27a58acb99d9cb88a092ae2
: : to see technical information about this session.

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane

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It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:

Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@').

Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
on the List-ID header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
as well.

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-28 15:14:39 -:
 It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:
 
 Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
 intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@').
 
Which address? I see no whitespace in any of the addresses displayed
in my email.

 Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
 on the List-ID header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
 email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
 as well.

I'm switching away from header-based filtering because that breaks
from time to time because of version and/or configuration changes in
the software involved.

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:14:39PM -, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
 
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 It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:
 
 Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
 intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@').
 
 Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
 on the List-ID header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
 email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
 as well.

Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.
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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Marc G. Fournier


Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any 
problems ... he's subscribed to the list:


%mj_shell -p  who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In fact, he's been registered since Jul '05:

  Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Address is valid.
  Address Mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered as[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered onWed Jul 27 06:44:37 2005
Data last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
Subscribed to1 lists

  pgsql-general:
Subscribed as   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subscribed on   Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
Last changed on Mon Feb 27 09:20:21 2006
Receiving   each message as it is posted
Subscriber flags:
  noeliminatecc
  nohide
  nohidepost
  nopostblock
  prefix
  noreplyto
  selfcopy
  norewritefrom
  noackstall
  noackdeny
  noackpost
  noackreject

So I'm not 100% certain *what* the problem is :(

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote:


On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:14:39PM -, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:


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It looks like the listserv cannot handle that address - it says:

Individual words are not allowed in an e-mail address without an
intervening period or at symbol ('.' or '@').

Perhaps you could simply use your normal email address, and filter
on the List-ID header? (Assuming you are setting up that expanded
email address to help with filtering). Feel free to email me offlist
as well.


Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.
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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.

 Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any 
 problems ... he's subscribed to the list:

 %mj_shell -p  who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is it possible that majordomo is pushing out the messages just fine, but
then something downstream (ie one of the forwarders) is puking on the
funny addresses?  Not sure why you'd not be seeing bounce-backs if that
were it, but ...

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 07:30:58PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
 Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Actually, I suspect it's puking on the #'s in the email addresses.
 
  Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any 
  problems ... he's subscribed to the list:
 
  %mj_shell -p  who pgsql-general | grep -i sigpipe.cz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Is it possible that majordomo is pushing out the messages just fine, but
 then something downstream (ie one of the forwarders) is puking on the
 funny addresses?  Not sure why you'd not be seeing bounce-backs if that
 were it, but ...

Another possibility is that the subscription code in majordomo has a
different idea on valid emails than the code that accepts emails from
members...
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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-28 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane

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Roman Neuhauser replied to me:
 I suspect that the listserv is choking on the # symbol. This is
 undoubtably a bug in their software. For one thing, it should not
 have accepted the email address as far along as it did.

 Eh? That email address is completely valid.

Sure it is, but the mailing list software doesn't think so, or at least
part of it does. What I meant by the above was that if the software was
going to choke on the email address, it should have done so right away,
instead of allowing it to get fully subscribed and then deciding that
it was not valid at some other point in the workflow leading up to
actually sending you some email.

 Well, all I can recommend then is perhaps trying an email address without
 the # sign if possible.
  
 Funny thing, I've managed to sign to pgsql-general with the address
 displayed above when I sent the very first subscribe command from
 that address. That suggests that the bug shows up

The address is fully subscribed to the list, both Marc and I can verify
that. The problem is that it fails some other check when mail is sent
to it. Why in the world that logic is not centralized, I cannot imagine.

Marc wrote:
 Nope, that isn't it .. the thing is, from this end, I can't see/find any
 problems ... he's subscribed to the list:

Marc, I was able to view that weird whitespace message by going to
Subcribers, entering neuhauser in the search box, and then clicking[1]
on the troublesome name in question.

[1] I actually use links, so there is no mouse clicking involved, but I've
never been able to find a better verb to use there. :)

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-27 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to 
 each of them ... are you not receiving messages?

I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
to a different set of addresses, and that stalled (the request must
be approved by the moderators), as well as my attempts to gain
pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.

Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-list-owner@ and postmaster@
aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?

Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
conversations with [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My subscription requests:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
: subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
which was:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
:
: __
: The following request
:
:   subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
: was sent to
: by Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED].
:
: To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
:
: 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
:
http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7
:and follow the instructions there.
:
: 2. Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
:
: accept
: reject
:
:(The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
:
: 3. Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
:
: accept CA86-08AC-51A7
: reject CA86-08AC-51A7
:
: Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
:
:   Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued a command
:   that affects another address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
:
:
: If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
:
: If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
: and the request will not be completed.
:
: If you would like to communicate with a person,
: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I replied to that with:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
:
: accept

To which majordomo said:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
:
:
:  accept
:  The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
:  but further approval is needed.
: 
:  Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
:  The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
: 
: 
:
: Valid commands processed: 1
: 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
:
:
: Use the following command:
:   sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
: to see technical information about this session.

And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):

: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
: 
: Hello,
: 
: I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
: 
:  subscribe pgsql-docs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:  The subscribe command did not succeed.
: 
:  The request
:    subscribe pgsql-docs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:  must be confirmed by
:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:  and approved by the moderators.  Confirmation instructions have been
:  mailed in a separate message.
: 
: And then:
: 
:  

Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier


Can you try something more recent then last year?

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:


# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:

'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
each of them ... are you not receiving messages?


   I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
   That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
   to a different set of addresses, and that stalled (the request must
   be approved by the moderators), as well as my attempts to gain
   pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.

   Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-list-owner@ and postmaster@
   aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?

   Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
   conversations with [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   My subscription requests:

   : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
   : From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :
   : subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
   which was:

   : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
   : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
   :
   : __
   : The following request
   :
   :   subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :
   : was sent to
   : by Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED].
   :
   : To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
   :
   : 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
   :
http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7
   :and follow the instructions there.
   :
   : 2. Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
   :
   : accept
   : reject
   :
   :(The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
   :
   : 3. Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
   :
   : accept CA86-08AC-51A7
   : reject CA86-08AC-51A7
   :
   : Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
   :
   :   Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] issued a command
   :   that affects another address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
   :
   :
   : If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
   :
   : If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
   : and the request will not be completed.
   :
   : If you would like to communicate with a person,
   : send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   I replied to that with:

   : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
   : From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
   :
   : accept

   To which majordomo said:

   : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
   : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : To: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
   :
   :
   :  accept
   :  The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
   :  but further approval is needed.
   : 
   :  Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
   :  The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
   : 
   : 
   :
   : Valid commands processed: 1
   : 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
   :
   :
   : Use the following command:
   :   sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
   : to see technical information about this session.

   And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
   reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
   pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):

   : Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
   : From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   : Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
   :
   : Hello,
   :
   : I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
   :
   :  subscribe pgsql-docs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :  The subscribe command did not succeed.
   : 
   :  The request
   :    subscribe pgsql-docs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :  must be confirmed by
   :    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   :  and approved by the moderators.  Confirmation instructions have been
   :  mailed in a separate message.
   :
   : And then:
   :
   :  accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
   :  The accept 

Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:


Hello,

I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.


the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you 
will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do 
want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you 
aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem 
with mail deliver ...


checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists 
are you trying to get onto?



Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Yahoo!: yscrappy  ICQ: 7615664

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-26 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
 On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
 my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
 
 the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you 
 will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do 
 want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you 
 aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem 
 with mail deliver ...
 
 checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists 
 are you trying to get onto?

A copy of the message I sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] last
december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
being required you need.

-- 
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man.  You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
---BeginMessage---
Hello,

I tried to subscribe to the doc mailing list on July 27th, with token
9E0C-7AF7-36CA.  The request has been processed up to

:  accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
:  The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
:  but further approval is needed.
: 
:  Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
:  The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
: 
: 
: 
: Valid commands processed: 1
: 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
: 
: Use the following command:
:   sessioninfo d9a46448c54d3b48ad049e79e4c46dbaa9ee79f7
: to see technical information about this session.

Nothing happened since then.

I also tried to subscribe to general, hackers, perf, and sql on
September 24th, with tokens CA86-08AC-51A7, 225E-80E3-7C1A,
B43A-4209-5756, and 74A6-0E96-E08F, with exactly the same result.

Could someone point please process the requests?

-- 
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man.  You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-26 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 20:15:20 +0100:
 # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
  On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
  
  Hello,
  
  I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
  my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
  
  the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you 
  will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do 
  want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you 
  aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem 
  with mail deliver ...
  
  checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists 
  are you trying to get onto?
 
 A copy of the message I sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] last
 december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
 being required you need.

Please do let me know if I need to submit the subscription requests
identified in the email again. I'd really appreciate if someone did
help me through this.

BTW, my first never replied to email to people who should take care
of majordomo I could find is a mail sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
(Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

-- 
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man.  You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991

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Re: [GENERAL] majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

2006-02-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier


'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to 
each of them ... are you not receiving messages?




On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:


# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:


Hello,

I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.


the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
with mail deliver ...

checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
are you trying to get onto?


   A copy of the message I sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] last
   december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
   being required you need.

--
How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man.  You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991




Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Yahoo!: yscrappy  ICQ: 7615664

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