Re: [GENERAL] pg temp tables

2007-03-07 Thread Anton Melser

On 06/03/07, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Anton Melser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thanks for your reply. I am managing a db that has some export scripts
> that don't do a drop/create, but rather a delete from at the start of
> the proc (6 or 7 tables used for this, and only this). Now given that
> there is no vacuuming at all going on - this is clearly suboptimal but
> in the general case is this better/worse than using temporary tables?

Delete all rows, you mean?  Have you considered TRUNCATE?


Hi,
... I have considered lots of things - but I didn't write the scripts!
Now that you mention it, I do remember that truncate is much better
than
delete from mytable;
That is not what they wrote but hey. But even then, what are the
advantages/disadvantages of temp tables? Is there a document somewhere
I can consult which will give me the lowdown on permanent (but
temporary) versus temporary tables in pg?
Cheers
Anton

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Re: [GENERAL] pg temp tables

2007-03-05 Thread Tom Lane
"Anton Melser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thanks for your reply. I am managing a db that has some export scripts
> that don't do a drop/create, but rather a delete from at the start of
> the proc (6 or 7 tables used for this, and only this). Now given that
> there is no vacuuming at all going on - this is clearly suboptimal but
> in the general case is this better/worse than using temporary tables?

Delete all rows, you mean?  Have you considered TRUNCATE?

regards, tom lane

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Re: [GENERAL] pg temp tables

2007-03-05 Thread Anton Melser

On 06/03/07, Robert Treat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Saturday 03 March 2007 10:33, Anton Melser wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been going around telling everyone that there is no point using
> physical tables in postgres for temporary storage within a procedure.
> Why bother bothering the system with something which is only used in
> one procedure I said to myself... I have just learnt that with MS Sql
> Server, this is not the case, and that there are locks on some system
> table and temp tables eat up memory and lots of other unfortunate
> things. Can someone give me a 101 on temp table considerations? Or
> rather give me "the good link"?

The main issue against using temp tables involve bloat of some of the system
catalogs, but it's no worse than doing create/drop cycles with standard
tables, and better because they don't suffer as much i/o load.


Thanks for your reply. I am managing a db that has some export scripts
that don't do a drop/create, but rather a delete from at the start of
the proc (6 or 7 tables used for this, and only this). Now given that
there is no vacuuming at all going on - this is clearly suboptimal but
in the general case is this better/worse than using temporary tables?
Thanks again,
Anton

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Re: [GENERAL] pg temp tables

2007-03-05 Thread Robert Treat
On Saturday 03 March 2007 10:33, Anton Melser wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been going around telling everyone that there is no point using
> physical tables in postgres for temporary storage within a procedure.
> Why bother bothering the system with something which is only used in
> one procedure I said to myself... I have just learnt that with MS Sql
> Server, this is not the case, and that there are locks on some system
> table and temp tables eat up memory and lots of other unfortunate
> things. Can someone give me a 101 on temp table considerations? Or
> rather give me "the good link"?

The main issue against using temp tables involve bloat of some of the system 
catalogs, but it's no worse than doing create/drop cycles with standard 
tables, and better because they don't suffer as much i/o load. 

-- 
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL

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