Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Herrera  wrote:
> Robert Haas wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Fujii Masao  wrote:
>
>> > So firstly you will push those "latest" changes soon?
>>
>> It seems like these changes haven't been pushed yet, and unfortunately
>> that's probably a beta blocker.
>
> I'm on this.

Uh, when are you going to do this?  At this point we've probably lost
another week getting rc1 out the door.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Alvaro Herrera wrote:

> Not sure what is going on; my reading of the code certainly says that
> the data should be there.  I'm looking into it.
> 
> I also noticed that I didn't actually push the whole of the patch
> yesterday -- I neglected to "git add" the latest changes, the ones that
> fix the promotion scenario :-( so the commit messages is misleading
> because it describes something that's not there.

Pushed a fix.

I also wrote some tests using the RecoveryNode stuff submitted by
Michael Paquier.  These aren't yet pushed, because we don't have the
framework; once we have that I can push them too.  As far as I can tell,
these tests exercise all the cases that have been pointed out so far; I
can see some of them fail if I run on previous commits.

Thanks for the continued testing.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Fujii Masao  wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Alvaro Herrera
>  wrote:
>> Fujii Masao wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for not reviewing the patch before you push it...
>>>
>>> In HEAD, I ran very simple test case:
>>>
>>> 1. enable track_commit_timestamp
>>> 2. start the server
>>> 3. run some transactions
>>> 4. execute pg_last_committed_xact() -- returns non-null values
>>> 5. shutdown the server with immdiate mode
>>> 6. restart the server -- crash recovery happens
>>> 7. execute pg_last_committed_xact()
>>>
>>> The last call of pg_last_committed_xact() returns NULL values, which means
>>> that the xid and timestamp information of the last committed transaction
>>> disappeared by crash recovery. Isn't this a bug?
>>
>> Hm, not really, because the status of the "last" transaction is kept in
>> shared memory as a cache and not expected to live across a restart.
>> However, I tested the equivalent scenario:
>>
>> alvherre=# create table fg();
>> CREATE TABLE
>>
>> alvherre=# select ts.* from pg_class,pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xmin) ts where 
>> relname = 'fg';
>>   ts
>> ---
>>  2015-12-04 12:41:48.017976-03
>> (1 fila)
>>
>> then crash the server, and after recovery the data is gone:
>>
>> alvherre=# select ts.*, xmin, c.relname from pg_class 
>> c,pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xmin) ts where relname = 'fg';
>>  ts | xmin | relname
>> +--+-
>> |  630 | fg
>> (1 fila)
>>
>> Not sure what is going on; my reading of the code certainly says that
>> the data should be there.  I'm looking into it.
>>
>> I also noticed that I didn't actually push the whole of the patch
>> yesterday -- I neglected to "git add" the latest changes, the ones that
>> fix the promotion scenario :-( so the commit messages is misleading
>> because it describes something that's not there.
>
> So firstly you will push those "latest" changes soon?

It seems like these changes haven't been pushed yet, and unfortunately
that's probably a beta blocker.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Robert Haas wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Fujii Masao  wrote:

> > So firstly you will push those "latest" changes soon?
> 
> It seems like these changes haven't been pushed yet, and unfortunately
> that's probably a beta blocker.

I'm on this.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Alvaro Herrera
 wrote:
> Fujii Masao wrote:
>
>> Sorry for not reviewing the patch before you push it...
>>
>> In HEAD, I ran very simple test case:
>>
>> 1. enable track_commit_timestamp
>> 2. start the server
>> 3. run some transactions
>> 4. execute pg_last_committed_xact() -- returns non-null values
>> 5. shutdown the server with immdiate mode
>> 6. restart the server -- crash recovery happens
>> 7. execute pg_last_committed_xact()
>>
>> The last call of pg_last_committed_xact() returns NULL values, which means
>> that the xid and timestamp information of the last committed transaction
>> disappeared by crash recovery. Isn't this a bug?
>
> Hm, not really, because the status of the "last" transaction is kept in
> shared memory as a cache and not expected to live across a restart.
> However, I tested the equivalent scenario:
>
> alvherre=# create table fg();
> CREATE TABLE
>
> alvherre=# select ts.* from pg_class,pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xmin) ts where 
> relname = 'fg';
>   ts
> ---
>  2015-12-04 12:41:48.017976-03
> (1 fila)
>
> then crash the server, and after recovery the data is gone:
>
> alvherre=# select ts.*, xmin, c.relname from pg_class 
> c,pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xmin) ts where relname = 'fg';
>  ts | xmin | relname
> +--+-
> |  630 | fg
> (1 fila)
>
> Not sure what is going on; my reading of the code certainly says that
> the data should be there.  I'm looking into it.
>
> I also noticed that I didn't actually push the whole of the patch
> yesterday -- I neglected to "git add" the latest changes, the ones that
> fix the promotion scenario :-( so the commit messages is misleading
> because it describes something that's not there.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Fujii Masao wrote:

> Sorry for not reviewing the patch before you push it...
> 
> In HEAD, I ran very simple test case:
> 
> 1. enable track_commit_timestamp
> 2. start the server
> 3. run some transactions
> 4. execute pg_last_committed_xact() -- returns non-null values
> 5. shutdown the server with immdiate mode
> 6. restart the server -- crash recovery happens
> 7. execute pg_last_committed_xact()
> 
> The last call of pg_last_committed_xact() returns NULL values, which means
> that the xid and timestamp information of the last committed transaction
> disappeared by crash recovery. Isn't this a bug?

Hm, not really, because the status of the "last" transaction is kept in
shared memory as a cache and not expected to live across a restart.
However, I tested the equivalent scenario:

alvherre=# create table fg();
CREATE TABLE

alvherre=# select ts.* from pg_class,pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xmin) ts where 
relname = 'fg';
  ts   
---
 2015-12-04 12:41:48.017976-03
(1 fila)

then crash the server, and after recovery the data is gone:

alvherre=# select ts.*, xmin, c.relname from pg_class 
c,pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xmin) ts where relname = 'fg';
 ts | xmin | relname 
+--+-
|  630 | fg
(1 fila)

Not sure what is going on; my reading of the code certainly says that
the data should be there.  I'm looking into it.

I also noticed that I didn't actually push the whole of the patch
yesterday -- I neglected to "git add" the latest changes, the ones that
fix the promotion scenario :-( so the commit messages is misleading
because it describes something that's not there.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Alvaro Herrera
 wrote:
> I paraphrase Fujii Masao, who wrote:
>
>> 1. Start the master and standby servers with track_commit_timestamp enabled.
>> 2. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master 
>> server.
>> 3. Run checkpoint in the master.
>> 4. Run restartpoint in the standby after the checkpoint WAL record generated
>> 5. Restart the standby server.
>> 6. Enable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
>> 7. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master 
>> server.
>
>> What I think strange is that pg_last_committed_xact() behaves differently
>> in #2, #5, and #7 though the settings of track_commit_timestamp are same
>> in both servers, i.e., it's disabled in the master but enabled in the 
>> standby.
>
> Interesting, thanks.  You're right that this behaves oddly.
>
> I think in order to fix these two points (#5 and #7), we need to make
> the standby not honour the GUC at all, i.e. only heed what the master
> setting is.
>
>> 8. Promote the standby server to new master.
>> Since committs is still inactive even after the promotion,
>> pg_last_committed_xact() keeps causing an ERROR though
>> track_commit_timestamp is on.
>>
>> I was thinking that whether committs is active or not should depend on
>> the setting of track_commit_timestamp *after* the promotion.
>> The behavior in #8 looked strange.
>
> To fix this problem, we can re-run StartupCommitTs() after recovery is
> done, this time making sure to honour the GUC setting.
>
> I haven't tried the scenarios we fixed with the previous round of
> patching, but this patch seems to close the problems just reported.
> (My next step will be looking over the recovery test framework by
> Michael et al, so that I can apply a few tests for this stuff.)
> In the meantime, if you can look this over I would appreciate it.

Sorry for not reviewing the patch before you push it...

In HEAD, I ran very simple test case:

1. enable track_commit_timestamp
2. start the server
3. run some transactions
4. execute pg_last_committed_xact() -- returns non-null values
5. shutdown the server with immdiate mode
6. restart the server -- crash recovery happens
7. execute pg_last_committed_xact()

The last call of pg_last_committed_xact() returns NULL values, which means
that the xid and timestamp information of the last committed transaction
disappeared by crash recovery. Isn't this a bug?

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Petr Jelinek]

On 2015-11-16 22:43, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

I paraphrase Fujii Masao, who wrote:


1. Start the master and standby servers with track_commit_timestamp enabled.
2. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
3. Run checkpoint in the master.
4. Run restartpoint in the standby after the checkpoint WAL record generated
5. Restart the standby server.
6. Enable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
7. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.



What I think strange is that pg_last_committed_xact() behaves differently
in #2, #5, and #7 though the settings of track_commit_timestamp are same
in both servers, i.e., it's disabled in the master but enabled in the standby.


Interesting, thanks.  You're right that this behaves oddly.

I think in order to fix these two points (#5 and #7), we need to make
the standby not honour the GUC at all, i.e. only heed what the master
setting is.


8. Promote the standby server to new master.
 Since committs is still inactive even after the promotion,
 pg_last_committed_xact() keeps causing an ERROR though
 track_commit_timestamp is on.

I was thinking that whether committs is active or not should depend on
the setting of track_commit_timestamp *after* the promotion.
The behavior in #8 looked strange.


To fix this problem, we can re-run StartupCommitTs() after recovery is
done, this time making sure to honour the GUC setting.

I haven't tried the scenarios we fixed with the previous round of
patching, but this patch seems to close the problems just reported.
(My next step will be looking over the recovery test framework by
Michael et al, so that I can apply a few tests for this stuff.)
In the meantime, if you can look this over I would appreciate it.



While this seems good, I'd code it slightly differently. I didn't like 
the addition of new bool when it's not really needed. This brings the 
question if we actually need the BootStrapCommitTs and StartupCommitTs 
functions which really don't do much though.


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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Petr Jelinek wrote:

> While this seems good, I'd code it slightly differently. I didn't like the
> addition of new bool when it's not really needed. This brings the question
> if we actually need the BootStrapCommitTs and StartupCommitTs functions
> which really don't do much though.

Thanks, it's certainly nice that this got simpler.  (I'm not in love
with the idea of having xlog.c know what flag needs to pass in each
case, but I don't see any option that's more convenient.)

We weren't quite there however -- namely this patch didn't close problem
#8 in Fujii-san rundown.  The problem is that when promoting,
standbyState is not STANDBY_DISABLED but STANDBY_SNAPSHOT_READY (which
is a bit surprising but not something this patch should fix).  To fix
this I took the StartupCommitTs() call out of that block, so that it
runs inconditionally.

I also changed the hint message:

postgres=# select * from pg_last_committed_xact();
ERROR:  could not get commit timestamp data
HINT:  Make sure the configuration parameter "track_commit_timestamp" is set in 
the master server.

Otherwise this would be very confusing:

postgres=# select * from pg_last_committed_xact();
ERROR:  could not get commit timestamp data
HINT:  Make sure the configuration parameter "track_commit_timestamp" is set.
postgres=# show track_commit_timestamp ;
 track_commit_timestamp 

 on
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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

I paraphrase Fujii Masao, who wrote:

> 1. Start the master and standby servers with track_commit_timestamp enabled.
> 2. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
> 3. Run checkpoint in the master.
> 4. Run restartpoint in the standby after the checkpoint WAL record generated
> 5. Restart the standby server.
> 6. Enable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
> 7. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.

> What I think strange is that pg_last_committed_xact() behaves differently
> in #2, #5, and #7 though the settings of track_commit_timestamp are same
> in both servers, i.e., it's disabled in the master but enabled in the standby.

Interesting, thanks.  You're right that this behaves oddly.

I think in order to fix these two points (#5 and #7), we need to make
the standby not honour the GUC at all, i.e. only heed what the master
setting is.

> 8. Promote the standby server to new master.
> Since committs is still inactive even after the promotion,
> pg_last_committed_xact() keeps causing an ERROR though
> track_commit_timestamp is on.
>
> I was thinking that whether committs is active or not should depend on
> the setting of track_commit_timestamp *after* the promotion.
> The behavior in #8 looked strange.

To fix this problem, we can re-run StartupCommitTs() after recovery is
done, this time making sure to honour the GUC setting.

I haven't tried the scenarios we fixed with the previous round of
patching, but this patch seems to close the problems just reported.
(My next step will be looking over the recovery test framework by
Michael et al, so that I can apply a few tests for this stuff.)
In the meantime, if you can look this over I would appreciate it.

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diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
index 349228d..03d9743 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
@@ -510,7 +510,7 @@ BootStrapCommitTs(void)
 	/*
 	 * Nothing to do here at present, unlike most other SLRU modules; segments
 	 * are created when the server is started with this module enabled. See
-	 * StartupCommitTs.
+	 * ActivateCommitTs.
 	 */
 }
 
@@ -544,13 +544,13 @@ ZeroCommitTsPage(int pageno, bool writeXlog)
  * configuration.
  */
 void
-StartupCommitTs(bool force_enable)
+StartupCommitTs(bool honour_config, bool force_enable)
 {
 	/*
 	 * If the module is not enabled, there's nothing to do here.  The module
 	 * could still be activated from elsewhere.
 	 */
-	if (track_commit_timestamp || force_enable)
+	if ((honour_config && track_commit_timestamp) || force_enable)
 		ActivateCommitTs();
 }
 
diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c b/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c
index 08d1682..0ed6822 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c
@@ -6567,7 +6567,7 @@ StartupXLOG(void)
 			 * maintained during recovery and need not be started yet.
 			 */
 			StartupCLOG();
-			StartupCommitTs(ControlFile->track_commit_timestamp);
+			StartupCommitTs(false, ControlFile->track_commit_timestamp);
 			StartupSUBTRANS(oldestActiveXID);
 
 			/*
@@ -7336,7 +7336,7 @@ StartupXLOG(void)
 	if (standbyState == STANDBY_DISABLED)
 	{
 		StartupCLOG();
-		StartupCommitTs(false);
+		StartupCommitTs(true, false);
 		StartupSUBTRANS(oldestActiveXID);
 	}
 
diff --git a/src/include/access/commit_ts.h b/src/include/access/commit_ts.h
index 3844bb3..991dd42 100644
--- a/src/include/access/commit_ts.h
+++ b/src/include/access/commit_ts.h
@@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ extern Size CommitTsShmemBuffers(void);
 extern Size CommitTsShmemSize(void);
 extern void CommitTsShmemInit(void);
 extern void BootStrapCommitTs(void);
-extern void StartupCommitTs(bool force_enable);
+extern void StartupCommitTs(bool honour_config, bool force_enable);
 extern void CommitTsParameterChange(bool xlrecvalue, bool pgcontrolvalue);
 extern void CompleteCommitTsInitialization(void);
 extern void ShutdownCommitTs(void);

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Fujii Masao  wrote:
> I found another strange behavior on track_commit_timestamp.
> Here are the steps to reproduce it.
>
> 1. Start the master and standby servers with track_commit_timestamp enabled.
> Since committs is activated in standby, pg_last_committed_xact() can
> successfully return the timestamp of last transaction as expected.
>
> 2. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
> The parameter-change WAL record is streamed to the standby and committs
> is deactivated. pg_last_committed_xact() causes an ERROR in the standby.
>
> 3. Run checkpoint in the master.
>
> 4. Run restartpoint in the standby after the checkpoint WAL record generated
> in #3 is replicated to the standby.
>
> 5. Restart the standby server.
> Committs is activated in the standby because track_commit_timestamp is
> enabled.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Alvaro Herrera
 wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Robert Haas wrote:
>> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Petr Jelinek  wrote:
>> > > I agree with that sentiment.
>> > >
>> > > Attached patch adds variable to the shmem which is used for module
>> > > activation tracking - set to true in ActiveCommitTs() and false in
>> > > DeactivateCommitTs(). All the checks inside the commit_ts code were 
>> > > changed
>> > > to use this new variable. I also removed the static variable Alvaro 
>> > > added in
>> > > previous commit because it's not needed anymore.
>> >
>> > That sounds good to me.  On a quick read-through it looks OK too.
>>
>> A revised version is attached.
>
> Pushed.

I found another strange behavior on track_commit_timestamp.
Here are the steps to reproduce it.

1. Start the master and standby servers with track_commit_timestamp enabled.
Since committs is activated in standby, pg_last_committed_xact() can
successfully return the timestamp of last transaction as expected.

2. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
The parameter-change WAL record is streamed to the standby and committs
is deactivated. pg_last_committed_xact() causes an ERROR in the standby.

3. Run checkpoint in the master.

4. Run restartpoint in the standby after the checkpoint WAL record generated
in #3 is replicated to the standby.

5. Restart the standby server.
Committs is activated in the standby because track_commit_timestamp is
enabled. Since there is no parameter-change WAL record since last
restartpoint, committs is not deactivated. So pg_last_committed_xact()
can successfully return the timestamp.

6. Enable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.

7. Disable track_commit_timestamp in the master and restart the master server.
Back to the same situation as #2. That is, pg_last_committed_xact() causes
an ERROR.

8. Promote the standby server to new master.
Since committs is still inactive even after the promotion,
pg_last_committed_xact() keeps causing an ERROR though
track_commit_timestamp is on.

What I think strange is that pg_last_committed_xact() behaves differently
in #2, #5, and #7 though the settings of track_commit_timestamp are same
in both servers, i.e., it's disabled in the master but enabled in the standby.

I was thinking that whether committs is active or not should depend on
the setting of track_commit_timestamp *after* the promotion.
The behavior in #8 looked strange.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Robert Haas wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Petr Jelinek  wrote:
> > > I agree with that sentiment.
> > >
> > > Attached patch adds variable to the shmem which is used for module
> > > activation tracking - set to true in ActiveCommitTs() and false in
> > > DeactivateCommitTs(). All the checks inside the commit_ts code were 
> > > changed
> > > to use this new variable. I also removed the static variable Alvaro added 
> > > in
> > > previous commit because it's not needed anymore.
> > 
> > That sounds good to me.  On a quick read-through it looks OK too.
> 
> A revised version is attached.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Robert Haas wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Petr Jelinek  wrote:
> > I agree with that sentiment.
> >
> > Attached patch adds variable to the shmem which is used for module
> > activation tracking - set to true in ActiveCommitTs() and false in
> > DeactivateCommitTs(). All the checks inside the commit_ts code were changed
> > to use this new variable. I also removed the static variable Alvaro added in
> > previous commit because it's not needed anymore.
> 
> That sounds good to me.  On a quick read-through it looks OK too.

A revised version is attached.  Two changes on top of Petr's patch:

1. In the two "get" routines, we were reading the flag without grabbing
the lock.  This is okay in a master server, because the flag cannot
change in flight, but in a standby it is possible to have the module
be deactivated while TS data is being queried.  To fix this, simply move
the check for the active shmem flag a few lines down to be inside the
locked section.

There are two other places that also read the flag without grabbing the
lock.  These look okay to me, so I added comments stating so.

2. In TransactionIdGetCommitTsData() we were grabbing lock, reading some
data, releasing lock, then examining the "cached" value in shmem without
a lock to see if it matched the function argument; if it's match, grab
lock again and return the correct data.  In the original coding this
made sense because there was no locked section prior to reading the
cache, but after the patch this was pointless.  Make it simpler by
moving the read of the cache inside the locked section too.

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diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
index 24b8291..b21a313 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
@@ -78,13 +78,21 @@ static SlruCtlData CommitTsCtlData;
 #define CommitTsCtl ()
 
 /*
- * We keep a cache of the last value set in shared memory.  This is protected
- * by CommitTsLock.
+ * We keep a cache of the last value set in shared memory.
+ *
+ * This is also good place to keep the activation status.  We keep this
+ * separate from the GUC so that the standby can activate the module if the
+ * primary has it active independently of the value of the GUC.
+ *
+ * This is protected by CommitTsLock.  In some places, we use commitTsActive
+ * without acquiring the lock; where this happens, a comment explains the
+ * rationale for it.
  */
 typedef struct CommitTimestampShared
 {
 	TransactionId xidLastCommit;
 	CommitTimestampEntry dataLastCommit;
+	bool	commitTsActive;
 } CommitTimestampShared;
 
 CommitTimestampShared *commitTsShared;
@@ -93,14 +101,6 @@ CommitTimestampShared *commitTsShared;
 /* GUC variable */
 bool		track_commit_timestamp;
 
-/*
- * When this is set, commit_ts is force-enabled during recovery.  This is so
- * that a standby can replay WAL records coming from a master with the setting
- * enabled.  (Note that this doesn't enable SQL access to the data; it's
- * effectively write-only until the GUC itself is enabled.)
- */
-static bool		enable_during_recovery;
-
 static void SetXidCommitTsInPage(TransactionId xid, int nsubxids,
 	 TransactionId *subxids, TimestampTz ts,
 	 RepOriginId nodeid, int pageno);
@@ -109,7 +109,7 @@ static void TransactionIdSetCommitTs(TransactionId xid, TimestampTz ts,
 static int	ZeroCommitTsPage(int pageno, bool writeXlog);
 static bool CommitTsPagePrecedes(int page1, int page2);
 static void ActivateCommitTs(void);
-static void DeactivateCommitTs(bool do_wal);
+static void DeactivateCommitTs(void);
 static void WriteZeroPageXlogRec(int pageno);
 static void WriteTruncateXlogRec(int pageno);
 static void WriteSetTimestampXlogRec(TransactionId mainxid, int nsubxids,
@@ -149,10 +149,14 @@ TransactionTreeSetCommitTsData(TransactionId xid, int nsubxids,
 	TransactionId newestXact;
 
 	/*
-	 * No-op if the module is not enabled, but allow writes in a standby
-	 * during recovery.
+	 * No-op if the module is not active.
+	 *
+	 * An unlocked read here is fine, because in a standby (the only place
+	 * where the flag can change in flight) this routine is only called by
+	 * the recovery process, which is also the only process which can change
+	 * the flag.
 	 */
-	if (!track_commit_timestamp && !enable_during_recovery)
+	if (!commitTsShared->commitTsActive)
 		return;
 
 	/*
@@ -283,30 +287,45 @@ TransactionIdGetCommitTsData(TransactionId xid, TimestampTz *ts,
 	TransactionId oldestCommitTs;
 	TransactionId newestCommitTs;
 
-	/* Error if module not enabled */
-	if (!track_commit_timestamp)
-		ereport(ERROR,
-(errcode(ERRCODE_OBJECT_NOT_IN_PREREQUISITE_STATE),
- errmsg("could not get commit timestamp data"),
-			  errhint("Make sure the configuration parameter \"%s\" is set.",
-	  "track_commit_timestamp")));
-
 	/* 

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Petr Jelinek  wrote:
> I agree with that sentiment.
>
> Attached patch adds variable to the shmem which is used for module
> activation tracking - set to true in ActiveCommitTs() and false in
> DeactivateCommitTs(). All the checks inside the commit_ts code were changed
> to use this new variable. I also removed the static variable Alvaro added in
> previous commit because it's not needed anymore.

That sounds good to me.  On a quick read-through it looks OK too.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Petr Jelinek]

On 2015-10-02 22:02, Robert Haas wrote:

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Alvaro Herrera  wrote:

Robert Haas wrote:

The standby can have the feature enabled even though the master has it
disabled?  That seems like it can only lead to heartache.


Can you elaborate?


Sort of.  Our rule up until now has always been that the standby is an
exact copy of the master.  I suspect deviating from that behavior will
introduce bugs.  I suspect having the standby make data changes that
aren't WAL-logged will introduce bugs; not to be unkind, but that
certainly seems like a lesson to take from what happened with
multixacts.



I agree with that sentiment.

Attached patch adds variable to the shmem which is used for module 
activation tracking - set to true in ActiveCommitTs() and false in 
DeactivateCommitTs(). All the checks inside the commit_ts code were 
changed to use this new variable. I also removed the static variable 
Alvaro added in previous commit because it's not needed anymore.


The patch also does full cleanup of the shmem state in 
DeactivateCommitTs() so that standby does not have stale last committed 
transaction info after enable/disable/enable cycle on primary


I also removed no longer used do_wal parameters in couple of functions.

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diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
index 24b8291..8af8dbe 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
@@ -80,11 +80,17 @@ static SlruCtlData CommitTsCtlData;
 /*
  * We keep a cache of the last value set in shared memory.  This is protected
  * by CommitTsLock.
+ *
+ * This is also good place to keep the activation status.  We need to keep
+ * the activation status separate from the GUC bellow because the standby needs
+ * to activate the module if the primary has it active independently of what
+ * track_commit_timestamp setting is on standby.
  */
 typedef struct CommitTimestampShared
 {
 	TransactionId xidLastCommit;
 	CommitTimestampEntry dataLastCommit;
+	bool	commitTsActive;
 } CommitTimestampShared;
 
 CommitTimestampShared *commitTsShared;
@@ -93,14 +99,6 @@ CommitTimestampShared *commitTsShared;
 /* GUC variable */
 bool		track_commit_timestamp;
 
-/*
- * When this is set, commit_ts is force-enabled during recovery.  This is so
- * that a standby can replay WAL records coming from a master with the setting
- * enabled.  (Note that this doesn't enable SQL access to the data; it's
- * effectively write-only until the GUC itself is enabled.)
- */
-static bool		enable_during_recovery;
-
 static void SetXidCommitTsInPage(TransactionId xid, int nsubxids,
 	 TransactionId *subxids, TimestampTz ts,
 	 RepOriginId nodeid, int pageno);
@@ -109,7 +107,7 @@ static void TransactionIdSetCommitTs(TransactionId xid, TimestampTz ts,
 static int	ZeroCommitTsPage(int pageno, bool writeXlog);
 static bool CommitTsPagePrecedes(int page1, int page2);
 static void ActivateCommitTs(void);
-static void DeactivateCommitTs(bool do_wal);
+static void DeactivateCommitTs(void);
 static void WriteZeroPageXlogRec(int pageno);
 static void WriteTruncateXlogRec(int pageno);
 static void WriteSetTimestampXlogRec(TransactionId mainxid, int nsubxids,
@@ -148,11 +146,8 @@ TransactionTreeSetCommitTsData(TransactionId xid, int nsubxids,
 	TransactionId headxid;
 	TransactionId newestXact;
 
-	/*
-	 * No-op if the module is not enabled, but allow writes in a standby
-	 * during recovery.
-	 */
-	if (!track_commit_timestamp && !enable_during_recovery)
+	/* No-op if the module is not active. */
+	if (!commitTsShared->commitTsActive)
 		return;
 
 	/*
@@ -284,7 +279,7 @@ TransactionIdGetCommitTsData(TransactionId xid, TimestampTz *ts,
 	TransactionId newestCommitTs;
 
 	/* Error if module not enabled */
-	if (!track_commit_timestamp)
+	if (!commitTsShared->commitTsActive)
 		ereport(ERROR,
 (errcode(ERRCODE_OBJECT_NOT_IN_PREREQUISITE_STATE),
  errmsg("could not get commit timestamp data"),
@@ -367,7 +362,7 @@ GetLatestCommitTsData(TimestampTz *ts, RepOriginId *nodeid)
 	TransactionId xid;
 
 	/* Error if module not enabled */
-	if (!track_commit_timestamp)
+	if (!commitTsShared->commitTsActive)
 		ereport(ERROR,
 (errcode(ERRCODE_OBJECT_NOT_IN_PREREQUISITE_STATE),
  errmsg("could not get commit timestamp data"),
@@ -493,6 +488,7 @@ CommitTsShmemInit(void)
 		commitTsShared->xidLastCommit = InvalidTransactionId;
 		TIMESTAMP_NOBEGIN(commitTsShared->dataLastCommit.time);
 		commitTsShared->dataLastCommit.nodeid = InvalidRepOriginId;
+		commitTsShared->commitTsActive = false;
 	}
 	else
 		Assert(found);
@@ -566,7 +562,7 @@ CompleteCommitTsInitialization(void)
 	 * any leftover data.
 	 */
 	if (!track_commit_timestamp)
-		DeactivateCommitTs(true);
+		DeactivateCommitTs();
 }
 
 /*
@@ -588,11 +584,11 @@ 

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Alvaro Herrera
 wrote:
> Fujii Masao wrote:
>
>> What happens if pg_xact_commit_timestamp() is called in standby after
>> track_commit_timestamp is disabled in master, DeactivateCommitTs() is
>> called and all commit_ts files are removed in standby? I tried that case
>> and got the following assertion failure.
>
> Ah.  So the standby needs to keep the module activated if it's enabled
> locally, even when it receives a message that the master turned it off.
> Here's a patch.

I'm afraid that this behavior might confuse the users.

Please imagine the following scenario.

1. start up the server with track_commit_timestamp disabled
2. run several transactions
3. shut down the server with immediate mode
4. restart the server with track_commit_timestamp enabled
5. run "SELECT pg_last_committed_xact()"
6. run "SELECT pg_xact_commit_timestamp(xid) FROM pg_last_committed_xact()"
7. restart the server
8. run "SELECT pg_last_committed_xact()"

Firstly, in #5, pg_last_committed_xact() returns the XID and
timestamp of the last transaction which was executed in #2
(i.e., while track_commit_timestamp was disabled).
This is confusing. I think that both pg_last_committed_xact()
and pg_xact_commit_timestamp() should return only the transaction
which was executed with track_commit_timestamp enabled.

Secondly, SELECT query in #6 returns NULL. This means that
pg_xact_commit_timestamp() may not handle the transaction
which pg_last_committed_xact() handles. This is also confusing.

Finally, in #8, pg_last_committed_xact() returns NULL while
it returned non-NULL before the restart. This is also confusing.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Fujii Masao wrote:

> What happens if pg_xact_commit_timestamp() is called in standby after
> track_commit_timestamp is disabled in master, DeactivateCommitTs() is
> called and all commit_ts files are removed in standby? I tried that case
> and got the following assertion failure.

Ah.  So the standby needs to keep the module activated if it's enabled
locally, even when it receives a message that the master turned it off.
Here's a patch.

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commit 7441f88b746b7522f1714ed9fec95c3c4fe1dacb
Author: Alvaro Herrera 
AuthorDate: Fri Oct 2 11:39:44 2015 -0300
CommitDate: Fri Oct 2 11:39:44 2015 -0300

Don't disable commit_ts in standby if enabled locally

Bug noticed by Fujii Masao

diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
index 79ca04a..24b8291 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
@@ -583,14 +583,15 @@ CommitTsParameterChange(bool newvalue, bool oldvalue)
 	 * pg_control.  If the old value was already set, we already did this, so
 	 * don't do anything.
 	 *
-	 * If the module is disabled in the master, disable it here too.
+	 * If the module is disabled in the master, disable it here too, unless
+	 * the module is enabled locally.
 	 */
 	if (newvalue)
 	{
 		if (!track_commit_timestamp && !oldvalue)
 			ActivateCommitTs();
 	}
-	else if (oldvalue)
+	else if (!track_commit_timestamp && oldvalue)
 		DeactivateCommitTs(false);
 }
 

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alvaro Herrera
 wrote:
> Fujii Masao wrote:
>
>> What happens if pg_xact_commit_timestamp() is called in standby after
>> track_commit_timestamp is disabled in master, DeactivateCommitTs() is
>> called and all commit_ts files are removed in standby? I tried that case
>> and got the following assertion failure.
>
> Ah.  So the standby needs to keep the module activated if it's enabled
> locally, even when it receives a message that the master turned it off.
> Here's a patch.

The standby can have the feature enabled even though the master has it
disabled?  That seems like it can only lead to heartache.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Robert Haas wrote:

> The standby can have the feature enabled even though the master has it
> disabled?  That seems like it can only lead to heartache.

Can you elaborate?

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Alvaro Herrera  wrote:
> Robert Haas wrote:
>> The standby can have the feature enabled even though the master has it
>> disabled?  That seems like it can only lead to heartache.
>
> Can you elaborate?

Sort of.  Our rule up until now has always been that the standby is an
exact copy of the master.  I suspect deviating from that behavior will
introduce bugs.  I suspect having the standby make data changes that
aren't WAL-logged will introduce bugs; not to be unkind, but that
certainly seems like a lesson to take from what happened with
multixacts.

I haven't looked at this code well enough to guess specifically what
will go wrong.  But consider people turning the feature on and off
repeatedly on the master, and separately on the standby, combined with
crashes on the standby that restart replay from earlier points
(possibly with settings that have changed in the meantime).  Are we
really sure that we're never going to end up with the wrong files, or
inconsistent ones, on the standby?  I have a really hard time
believing that's going to work out.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Alvaro Herrera  wrote:
> oonish...@nttdata.co.jp wrote:
>
>> The below error messages were shown in standby server log:
>>
>> FATAL:  could not access status of transaction 9009
>> DETAIL:  Could not read from file "pg_commit_ts/" at offset 90112: 
>> Success.
>> CONTEXT:  xlog redo Transaction/COMMIT: 2015-09-30 15:52:41.924141+09
>> LOG:  startup process (PID 23199) exited with exit code 1
>> LOG:  terminating any other active server processes
>>
>> Before this FATAL, there were some INFO but annoying messages:
>>
>> LOG:  file "pg_commit_ts/" doesn't exist, reading as zeroes
>
> Here's a patch.

I've not read the patch yet, but the patched server with track_commit_timestamp
enabled caused the following PANIC error when I ran pgbench.

PANIC:  could not access status of transaction 2457
DETAIL:  Could not read from file "pg_commit_ts/" at offset 24576: Success.
STATEMENT:  END;

The procedure to reproduce the PANIC error is,

1. Enable track_commit_timestamp
2. Start up the server
3. Run pgbench -i -s10
4. Run pgbench -j 4 -c 4 -T 30

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

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Fujii Masao wrote:

> I've not read the patch yet, but the patched server with 
> track_commit_timestamp
> enabled caused the following PANIC error when I ran pgbench.

Ah, that was a stupid typo: I used || instead of &&.  Fixed that.

I also changed DeactivateCommitTs() so that it removes all slru segments
instead of leaving the last one around (which is what SimpleLruTruncate
was doing).  This was noticeable when you ran a server with the feature
enabled (which created some files), then disabled it (which removed all
but the last) and ran for some more xacts; then enabled it again (which
created a new file, far ahead from the previously existing one).  Since
the feature has enough protections that it doesn't have a problem with
no files at all being present, this works correctly.  Note no
wal-logging of this operation: it's not necessary AFAICS because the
same deactivation routine would be called again in recovery and in
XLOG_PARAMETER_CHANGE, so it should be safe.

And pushed.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:12 AM, Alvaro Herrera  wrote:
> Fujii Masao wrote:
>
>> I've not read the patch yet, but the patched server with 
>> track_commit_timestamp
>> enabled caused the following PANIC error when I ran pgbench.
>
> Ah, that was a stupid typo: I used || instead of &&.  Fixed that.
>
> I also changed DeactivateCommitTs() so that it removes all slru segments
> instead of leaving the last one around (which is what SimpleLruTruncate
> was doing).  This was noticeable when you ran a server with the feature
> enabled (which created some files), then disabled it (which removed all
> but the last) and ran for some more xacts; then enabled it again (which
> created a new file, far ahead from the previously existing one).  Since
> the feature has enough protections that it doesn't have a problem with
> no files at all being present, this works correctly.  Note no
> wal-logging of this operation: it's not necessary AFAICS because the
> same deactivation routine would be called again in recovery and in
> XLOG_PARAMETER_CHANGE, so it should be safe.

What happens if pg_xact_commit_timestamp() is called in standby after
track_commit_timestamp is disabled in master, DeactivateCommitTs() is
called and all commit_ts files are removed in standby? I tried that case
and got the following assertion failure.

TRAP: FailedAssertion("!(((oldestCommitTs) != ((TransactionId) 0)) ==
((newestCommitTs) != ((TransactionId) 0)))", File: "commit_ts.c",
Line: 307)

LOG:  server process (PID 11160) was terminated by signal 6: Aborted
DETAIL:  Failed process was running: select num,
pg_xact_commit_timestamp(num::text::xid) from generate_series(1750,
1800) num

The steps to reproduce the problem is

1. Set up replication with track_commit_timestamp enabled.
2. Run several write transactions.
3. Disable track_commit_timestamp only in master and wait for
XLOG_PARAMETER_CHANGE record to be replayed in standby.
4. Run pg_xact_commit_timestamp() in standby.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

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oonish...@nttdata.co.jp wrote:

> The below error messages were shown in standby server log:
> 
> FATAL:  could not access status of transaction 9009
> DETAIL:  Could not read from file "pg_commit_ts/" at offset 90112: 
> Success.
> CONTEXT:  xlog redo Transaction/COMMIT: 2015-09-30 15:52:41.924141+09
> LOG:  startup process (PID 23199) exited with exit code 1
> LOG:  terminating any other active server processes
> 
> Before this FATAL, there were some INFO but annoying messages:
> 
> LOG:  file "pg_commit_ts/" doesn't exist, reading as zeroes

Here's a patch.

I went over the commit_ts.c code a few more times.  I eventually
realized that we were trying to update the value of the GUC, which is a
rather unreliable thing to do; this was made worse by the fact that we
were updating it in one process only.

I thought it was better to have a separate boolean flag, affecting the
recovery process only, which is set at startup time or when the
XLOG_PARAMETER_CHANGE message is received.  The module is enabled if
either the GUC is set or we see that the master has the module enabled.
This only enables it as far as replaying xlog records though: if you use
the SQL interface, it will still raise an error that you cannot read
values unless the GUC is enabled.  This seems fine to me.

A curious but benign effect of this patch is that if you have the module
disabled in the master but enabled in the standby, you can actually
query the commit times in the standby, and they will correspond to
whatever the master used in the commit xlog record.

Other small changes:

- Moved some code out of xlog_redo into a new public commit_ts.c
routine; made ActivateCommitTs and Deactivate* statics.

- In the previous commit I added an assert that we're not writing xlog
and replaying xlog at the same time.  This is pointless because xlog.c
already complains about that, so this commit takes it out again.

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diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
index 78090c5..9613783 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/commit_ts.c
@@ -93,6 +93,14 @@ CommitTimestampShared *commitTsShared;
 /* GUC variable */
 bool		track_commit_timestamp;
 
+/*
+ * When this is set, commit_ts is force-enabled during recovery.  This is so
+ * that a standby can replay WAL records coming from a master with the setting
+ * enabled.  (Note that this doesn't enable SQL access to the data; it's
+ * effectively write-only until the GUC itself is enabled.)
+ */
+static bool		enable_during_recovery;
+
 static void SetXidCommitTsInPage(TransactionId xid, int nsubxids,
 	 TransactionId *subxids, TimestampTz ts,
 	 RepOriginId nodeid, int pageno);
@@ -100,6 +108,8 @@ static void TransactionIdSetCommitTs(TransactionId xid, TimestampTz ts,
 		 RepOriginId nodeid, int slotno);
 static int	ZeroCommitTsPage(int pageno, bool writeXlog);
 static bool CommitTsPagePrecedes(int page1, int page2);
+static void ActivateCommitTs(void);
+static void DeactivateCommitTs(bool do_wal);
 static void WriteZeroPageXlogRec(int pageno);
 static void WriteTruncateXlogRec(int pageno);
 static void WriteSetTimestampXlogRec(TransactionId mainxid, int nsubxids,
@@ -122,10 +132,6 @@ static void WriteSetTimestampXlogRec(TransactionId mainxid, int nsubxids,
  * subtrans implementation changes in the future, we might want to revisit the
  * decision of storing timestamp info for each subxid.
  *
- * The replaying_xlog parameter indicates whether the module should execute
- * its write even if the feature is nominally disabled, because we're replaying
- * a record generated from a master where the feature is enabled.
- *
  * The write_xlog parameter tells us whether to include an XLog record of this
  * or not.  Normally, this is called from transaction commit routines (both
  * normal and prepared) and the information will be stored in the transaction
@@ -136,18 +142,17 @@ static void WriteSetTimestampXlogRec(TransactionId mainxid, int nsubxids,
 void
 TransactionTreeSetCommitTsData(TransactionId xid, int nsubxids,
 			   TransactionId *subxids, TimestampTz timestamp,
-			   RepOriginId nodeid,
-			   bool replaying_xlog, bool write_xlog)
+			   RepOriginId nodeid, bool write_xlog)
 {
 	int			i;
 	TransactionId headxid;
 	TransactionId newestXact;
 
-	/* We'd better not try to write xlog during replay */
-	Assert(!(write_xlog && replaying_xlog));
-
-	/* No-op if feature not enabled, unless replaying WAL */
-	if (!track_commit_timestamp && !replaying_xlog)
+	/*
+	 * No-op if the module is not enabled, but allow writes in a standby
+	 * during recovery.
+	 */
+	if (!track_commit_timestamp && !enable_during_recovery)
 		return;
 
 	/*
@@ -534,32 +539,26 @@ ZeroCommitTsPage(int pageno, bool writeXlog)
 /*
  * This must be called ONCE during postmaster or 

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[oonishitk]

> Here's a patch.

Thank you!
With this patch, the standby server down disappears in my environment.

Regards,


Takashi Ohnishi
oonish...@nttdata.co.jp

-Original Message-
From: Alvaro Herrera [mailto:alvhe...@2ndquadrant.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 7:48 AM
To: Fujii Masao ; SPS 大西 高史(三技術) 

Cc: pgsql-docs ; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

oonish...@nttdata.co.jp wrote:

> The below error messages were shown in standby server log:
> 
> FATAL:  could not access status of transaction 9009
> DETAIL:  Could not read from file "pg_commit_ts/" at offset 90112: 
> Success.
> CONTEXT:  xlog redo Transaction/COMMIT: 2015-09-30 15:52:41.924141+09
> LOG:  startup process (PID 23199) exited with exit code 1
> LOG:  terminating any other active server processes
> 
> Before this FATAL, there were some INFO but annoying messages:
> 
> LOG:  file "pg_commit_ts/" doesn't exist, reading as zeroes

Here's a patch.

I went over the commit_ts.c code a few more times.  I eventually realized that 
we were trying to update the value of the GUC, which is a rather unreliable 
thing to do; this was made worse by the fact that we were updating it in one 
process only.

I thought it was better to have a separate boolean flag, affecting the recovery 
process only, which is set at startup time or when the XLOG_PARAMETER_CHANGE 
message is received.  The module is enabled if either the GUC is set or we see 
that the master has the module enabled.
This only enables it as far as replaying xlog records though: if you use the 
SQL interface, it will still raise an error that you cannot read values unless 
the GUC is enabled.  This seems fine to me.

A curious but benign effect of this patch is that if you have the module 
disabled in the master but enabled in the standby, you can actually query the 
commit times in the standby, and they will correspond to whatever the master 
used in the commit xlog record.

Other small changes:

- Moved some code out of xlog_redo into a new public commit_ts.c routine; made 
ActivateCommitTs and Deactivate* statics.

- In the previous commit I added an assert that we're not writing xlog and 
replaying xlog at the same time.  This is pointless because xlog.c already 
complains about that, so this commit takes it out again.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Petr Jelinek]

On 2015-09-03 15:03, Fujii Masao wrote:

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Robert Haas  wrote:

There's no existing precedent for a feature that lets the standby be
different from the master *in any way*.  So I don't see why we should
start here.  I think the reasonable definition is that the GUC
controls whether the master tries to update the SLRU (and generate
appropriate WAL records, presumably).  The standby should not get a
choice about whether to replay those WAL records.


+1

I added this to the 9.5 open item list.



I see I forgot to send patch for this, so here it is. It just removes 
the on start check for track_commit_timestamp being same in config and 
control file.


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From 49533f556d8120564ed81dc67acfcc03d2894166 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Petr Jelinek 
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:29:29 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] committs-standby-fix

---
 src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c | 16 
 1 file changed, 16 deletions(-)

diff --git a/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c b/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c
index a092aad..fc5a1d7 100644
--- a/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c
+++ b/src/backend/access/transam/xlog.c
@@ -5826,19 +5826,6 @@ do { \
 		minValue))); \
 } while(0)
 
-#define RecoveryRequiresBoolParameter(param_name, currValue, masterValue) \
-do { \
-	bool _currValue = (currValue); \
-	bool _masterValue = (masterValue); \
-	if (_currValue != _masterValue) \
-		ereport(ERROR, \
-(errcode(ERRCODE_INVALID_PARAMETER_VALUE), \
- errmsg("hot standby is not possible because it requires \"%s\" to be same on master and standby (master has \"%s\", standby has \"%s\")", \
-		param_name, \
-		_masterValue ? "true" : "false", \
-		_currValue ? "true" : "false"))); \
-} while(0)
-
 /*
  * Check to see if required parameters are set high enough on this server
  * for various aspects of recovery operation.
@@ -5885,9 +5872,6 @@ CheckRequiredParameterValues(void)
 		RecoveryRequiresIntParameter("max_locks_per_transaction",
 	 max_locks_per_xact,
 	 ControlFile->max_locks_per_xact);
-		RecoveryRequiresBoolParameter("track_commit_timestamp",
-	  track_commit_timestamp,
-	  ControlFile->track_commit_timestamp);
 	}
 }
 
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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Fujii Masao]

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Robert Haas  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Alvaro Herrera  
> wrote:
>>> I think it's totally reasonable for the standby to follow the master's
>>> behavior rather than the config file.  That should be documented, but
>>> otherwise, no problem.  If it were technologically possible for the
>>> standby to follow the config file rather than the master in all cases,
>>> that would be fine, too.  But the current behavior is somewhere in the
>>> middle, and that doesn't seem like a good plan.
>>
>> So I discussed this with Petr.  He points out that if we make the
>> standby follows the master, then the problem would be the misbehavior
>> that results once the standby is promoted: at that point the standby
>> would no longer "follow the master" and would start with the feature
>> turned off, which could be disastrous (depending on what are you using
>> the commit timestamps for).
>
> That seems like an imaginary problem.  If it's critical to have commit
> timestamps, don't turn them off on the standby.
>
>> To solve that problem, you could suggest that if we see the setting
>> turned on in pg_control then we should follow that instead of the config
>> file; but then the problem is that there's no way to turn the feature
>> off.  And things are real crazy by then.
>
> There's no existing precedent for a feature that lets the standby be
> different from the master *in any way*.  So I don't see why we should
> start here.  I think the reasonable definition is that the GUC
> controls whether the master tries to update the SLRU (and generate
> appropriate WAL records, presumably).  The standby should not get a
> choice about whether to replay those WAL records.

+1

I added this to the 9.5 open item list.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Robert Haas]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@2ndquadrant.com wrote:
 I think it's totally reasonable for the standby to follow the master's
 behavior rather than the config file.  That should be documented, but
 otherwise, no problem.  If it were technologically possible for the
 standby to follow the config file rather than the master in all cases,
 that would be fine, too.  But the current behavior is somewhere in the
 middle, and that doesn't seem like a good plan.

 So I discussed this with Petr.  He points out that if we make the
 standby follows the master, then the problem would be the misbehavior
 that results once the standby is promoted: at that point the standby
 would no longer follow the master and would start with the feature
 turned off, which could be disastrous (depending on what are you using
 the commit timestamps for).

That seems like an imaginary problem.  If it's critical to have commit
timestamps, don't turn them off on the standby.

 To solve that problem, you could suggest that if we see the setting
 turned on in pg_control then we should follow that instead of the config
 file; but then the problem is that there's no way to turn the feature
 off.  And things are real crazy by then.

There's no existing precedent for a feature that lets the standby be
different from the master *in any way*.  So I don't see why we should
start here.  I think the reasonable definition is that the GUC
controls whether the master tries to update the SLRU (and generate
appropriate WAL records, presumably).  The standby should not get a
choice about whether to replay those WAL records.

Note that if you do allow the standby to decide not to replay the WAL
records for this feature, then the data on the standby could be
partially there but not completely there after promotion, because the
DBA might have flipped the switch on and off at different times.

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Petr Jelinek]

On 2015-08-05 00:13, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

Robert Haas wrote:

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Alvaro Herrera
alvhe...@2ndquadrant.com wrote:



The alternative is to turn the feature on automatically if it sees that
the master also has it on, i.e. the value would not be what the config
file says it is.  Doing this would be a bit surprising IMO, but given
the behavior above maybe it's better than the current behavior.


I think it's totally reasonable for the standby to follow the master's
behavior rather than the config file.  That should be documented, but
otherwise, no problem.  If it were technologically possible for the
standby to follow the config file rather than the master in all cases,
that would be fine, too.  But the current behavior is somewhere in the
middle, and that doesn't seem like a good plan.


So I discussed this with Petr.  He points out that if we make the
standby follows the master, then the problem would be the misbehavior
that results once the standby is promoted: at that point the standby
would no longer follow the master and would start with the feature
turned off, which could be disastrous (depending on what are you using
the commit timestamps for).

Given this, we're leaning towards the idea that the standby should not
try to follow the master at all.  Instead, an extension that wants to
use this stuff can check the value for itself, and raise a fatal error
if it's not already turned on the config file.  That way, a lot of the
strange corner cases disappear.



Actually, after thinking bit more about this I think the behavior of 
these two will be similar - you suddenly lose the commit timestamp info. 
The difference is that with fist option you'll lose it after restart 
while with second one you lose it immediately after promotion since 
there was never any info on the slave.


Extensions can do sanity checking in both scenarios.

The way I see it the first option has following advantages:
- it's smaller change
- it's more consistent with how wal_log_hints behaves
- fixing the config does not require server restart since the in-memory 
state was set from WAL record automatically


However the second option has also some:
- one can have slave which doesn't have overhead of the commit timestamp 
SLRU if they don't need it there
- it's theoretically easier to notice that the track_commit_timestamps 
is off in config because the the SQL interface will complain if called 
on the slave


So +0.5 from me towards following master and removing the error message

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Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] max_worker_processes on the standby

[Alvaro Herrera]

Adding CC to hackers, since this is clearly not just a docs issue.  Also
CCing Petr and Craig since they are the ones that know how this is used
in BDR.

Robert Haas wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Alvaro Herrera
 alvhe...@2ndquadrant.com wrote:

  The alternative is to turn the feature on automatically if it sees that
  the master also has it on, i.e. the value would not be what the config
  file says it is.  Doing this would be a bit surprising IMO, but given
  the behavior above maybe it's better than the current behavior.
 
 I think it's totally reasonable for the standby to follow the master's
 behavior rather than the config file.  That should be documented, but
 otherwise, no problem.  If it were technologically possible for the
 standby to follow the config file rather than the master in all cases,
 that would be fine, too.  But the current behavior is somewhere in the
 middle, and that doesn't seem like a good plan.

So I discussed this with Petr.  He points out that if we make the
standby follows the master, then the problem would be the misbehavior
that results once the standby is promoted: at that point the standby
would no longer follow the master and would start with the feature
turned off, which could be disastrous (depending on what are you using
the commit timestamps for).

To solve that problem, you could suggest that if we see the setting
turned on in pg_control then we should follow that instead of the config
file; but then the problem is that there's no way to turn the feature
off.  And things are real crazy by then.

Given this, we're leaning towards the idea that the standby should not
try to follow the master at all.  Instead, an extension that wants to
use this stuff can check the value for itself, and raise a fatal error
if it's not already turned on the config file.  That way, a lot of the
strange corner cases disappear.


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