Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well if an initdb was not required, I think that would be a huge feature ;) (I know it may not work release over release) If someone had started working on pg_upgrade six months ago, we might have that for 8.2 ... regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Lane) writes: Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well if an initdb was not required, I think that would be a huge feature ;) (I know it may not work release over release) If someone had started working on pg_upgrade six months ago, we might have that for 8.2 ... Someone brought the absence of that up in a LUG context this week, so it's certainly the sort of feature that would be worth making prominent... -- let name=cbbrowne and tld=cbbrowne.com in name ^ @ ^ tld;; http://cbbrowne.com/info/spreadsheets.html I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed -- Marvin the Paranoid Android ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
[HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance. -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDBhttp://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
Bruce, I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance. This is a discussion for -Advocacy, so I'm crossing it over. If you reply to this, please do NOT cc -hackers. Thanks. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
Bruce Momjian wrote: I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance. Hum, haven't we seen a lot of performance improvements committed? I'd say 8.2 is performance + usability :-) It's true that we don't have as many major features in 8.2 as compared to 8.1 or 8.0. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this but as far as I can tell there are only 2 features so far that I've seen discussed on hackers that are looking really good to me. I'm sure all the little changes will add up to a big win but these are the only two that would make me feel an urgent need to go through the hassle of upgrading. 1) Standby mode 2) Improvements to PITR making it easier to set up. If I could have asked for any two features to be implemented in postgres it would probably have been these two, so I am very curious. Are these two features definitely in, definitely out or still up in the air as far as 8.2 in concerned? On Aug 2, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit- mapped indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance. Hum, haven't we seen a lot of performance improvements committed? I'd say 8.2 is performance + usability :-) It's true that we don't have as many major features in 8.2 as compared to 8.1 or 8.0. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp:// www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 18:04, Bruce Momjian wrote:
I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.
In theory I agree with you, though it would be nice to get an updated copy of
the release notes before we solidify that judgement. Any eta on when you plan
to do them up? (Yeah, I realize we haven't applied all patches yet)
On a side note... has the on-disk format changed for this release? I don't
recall seeing anything that changed it, but could have easily missed
something.
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Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
Robert Treat wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 18:04, Bruce Momjian wrote: I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance. In theory I agree with you, though it would be nice to get an updated copy of the release notes before we solidify that judgement. Any eta on when you plan to do them up? (Yeah, I realize we haven't applied all patches yet) On a side note... has the on-disk format changed for this release? I don't recall seeing anything that changed it, but could have easily missed something. Well if an initdb was not required, I think that would be a huge feature ;) (I know it may not work release over release) Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] 8.2 feature set
Robert Treat wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 18:04, Bruce Momjian wrote: I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance. In theory I agree with you, though it would be nice to get an updated copy of the release notes before we solidify that judgement. Any eta on when you plan to do them up? (Yeah, I realize we haven't applied all patches yet) Usually 1-2 weeks before beta starts. On a side note... has the on-disk format changed for this release? I don't recall seeing anything that changed it, but could have easily missed something. I think only the inet data types changed on-disk. -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDBhttp://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
