Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-07 Thread Justin Clift
Hi guys,

Have passed on the info everyone provided about ways of getting 
PostgreSQL working on the OS/400 on to the requestor.  It would be 
interesting to see if they go with it.

Thanks for the assistance... more stuff will keep on coming through of 
course.

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


Tom Lane wrote:
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It was based on the CMU Hydra project,



Really!?  Small world ... I was part of the Hydra team, more years ago
than I like to admit in public.



Somehow, I'm not sure that PostgreSQL-on-OS/400 is likely to be more
than a curiosity.



Probably.  But a lot of our ports are just curiosities, at least to them
as aren't running that particular OS.  My feeling is that Postgres on
top of PASE might be reasonable to support; I doubt we'd want to mess
with a native port.

			regards, tom lane

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[HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Justin Clift
Hi everyone,

We don't support OS/400 yet do we?

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Tom Lane
Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 We don't support OS/400 yet do we?

Never heard of it.  Is it Unix-y?  Do you have one available for testing?

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Dann Corbit
 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:27 PM
 To: Justin Clift
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support? 
 
 
 Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  We don't support OS/400 yet do we?
 
 Never heard of it.  Is it Unix-y?  Do you have one available 
 for testing?

It's IBM.  Not terribly Unix-y.  This link may prove helpful:
http://www-919.ibm.com/developer/factory/porting/faq_proc.html

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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Gavin Sherry
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tom Lane wrote:

 Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  We don't support OS/400 yet do we?
 
 Never heard of it.  Is it Unix-y?  Do you have one available for testing?

I think Justin is refering to the AS/400 operating system. I have never
heard of Postgres supporting this operating system.

Gavin


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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Justin Clift
Tom Lane wrote:

Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


We don't support OS/400 yet do we?



Never heard of it.  Is it Unix-y?  Do you have one available for testing?


Oops, should have been clearer.

OS/400 is the operating system on the IBM AS/400 series of midrange 
computers:

Info:
http://search400.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid3_gci331973,00.html

IBM AS/400 page:
http://www-132.ibm.com/content/home/store_IBMPublicUSA/en_US/eServer/iSeries/

Not sure if it's Unix-y or not.  Just had the question come through the 
Advocacy site request form.  Will see if anyone else has further info, 
and then ask the requestor for further details if not.

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


			regards, tom lane



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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Doug McNaught
Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OS/400 is the operating system on the IBM AS/400 series of midrange
 computers:
 
 Info:
 http://search400.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid3_gci331973,00.html
 
 IBM AS/400 page:
 http://www-132.ibm.com/content/home/store_IBMPublicUSA/en_US/eServer/iSeries/
 
 Not sure if it's Unix-y or not.  Just had the question come through
 the Advocacy site request form.  Will see if anyone else has further
 info, and then ask the requestor for further details if not.

AFAIK it's not Unix-y *at* *all*.  The best/only way to run PG on that
hardware without an immense porting effort would be to run Linux
alongside OS/400 in an LPAR (logical partition).

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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Tom Lane
Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Info:
 http://search400.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid3_gci331973,00.html

That page quoth

OS/400 and its related software has added support for: 

 The Portable Application Solutions Environment (PASE), which
 supports a subset of the AIX environment so that Unix applications can
 be ported and run on the AS/400 

This suggests that our AIX port might work with little or no tweaking.
Or perhaps not; subset could cover a multitude of sins.  But it'd be
worth trying.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Dan Langille
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tom Lane wrote:

 Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Info:
  http://search400.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid3_gci331973,00.html

 That page quoth

 OS/400 and its related software has added support for:

  The Portable Application Solutions Environment (PASE), which
  supports a subset of the AIX environment so that Unix applications can
  be ported and run on the AS/400

 This suggests that our AIX port might work with little or no tweaking.
 Or perhaps not; subset could cover a multitude of sins.  But it'd be
 worth trying.

That would be very wild if we could do that.  Who volunteered? ;)


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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread cbbrowne
In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Lane) 
transmitted:
 Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 We don't support OS/400 yet do we?

 Never heard of it.  Is it Unix-y?  Do you have one available for testing?

No, OS/400 is what replaced IBM System 34, System 36, and System 38.
(Apparently they jumped to 40, and then multiplied by 10 to suggest it
was 10x as good...)

It was based on the CMU Hydra project, which built an OS with a pretty
strong security kernel, with ties to the orthogonal persistence
notion.

By this point, they have created a POSIX-emulation environment so it can
pretend to be somewhat like a Unix, but underneath, it's a database
system for running RPG code.  As such, it kind of starts as a DBMS.

Somehow, I'm not sure that PostgreSQL-on-OS/400 is likely to be more
than a curiosity.
-- 
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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Gavin Sherry
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote:

 On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tom Lane wrote:
 
  Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Info:
   http://search400.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid3_gci331973,00.html
 
  That page quoth
 
  OS/400 and its related software has added support for:
 
   The Portable Application Solutions Environment (PASE), which
   supports a subset of the AIX environment so that Unix applications can
   be ported and run on the AS/400
 
  This suggests that our AIX port might work with little or no tweaking.
  Or perhaps not; subset could cover a multitude of sins.  But it'd be
  worth trying.
 
 That would be very wild if we could do that.  Who volunteered? ;)

It might be pretty simple given PASE support and a hardware/OS manual. The
problem is that first assumption: how many OS/400 users have PASE
implemented? I'd say, not many.

Gavin


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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Tom Lane
Gavin Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 It might be pretty simple given PASE support and a hardware/OS manual. The
 problem is that first assumption: how many OS/400 users have PASE
 implemented? I'd say, not many.

It says here:
http://www-919.ibm.com/developer/factory/pase/v5r2.html

that PASE is standard as of OS/400 V5R2.  Anyone know how old that is?

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Re: [HACKERS] OS/400 support?

2003-01-06 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 It was based on the CMU Hydra project,

Really!?  Small world ... I was part of the Hydra team, more years ago
than I like to admit in public.

 Somehow, I'm not sure that PostgreSQL-on-OS/400 is likely to be more
 than a curiosity.

Probably.  But a lot of our ports are just curiosities, at least to them
as aren't running that particular OS.  My feeling is that Postgres on
top of PASE might be reasonable to support; I doubt we'd want to mess
with a native port.

regards, tom lane

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