Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-31 Thread Vince Vielhaber

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:

 I would also like to know this!  They don't mention it anywhere on their
 site!

The FreeBSD command line version comes on the CD along with the windoze
versions.



 Chris

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
  Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 2:20 AM
  To: Larry Rosenman
  Cc: Christopher Kings-Lynne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails
 
 
 
  Okay, this is sweet ... but can someone tell me where I 'Buy' a copy of
  uvscan?  I've searched McAfee, but can't seem to find it in their eStore
  anywhere ...
 
 
  On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:
 
   On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
   
God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ...
  imagine if
we had the lists open? :)
   I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
   people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
   getting in the door.
  
   Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
  
  
   
   
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
   
 Hi guys,

 I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of
  your guys.  eg.
 I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out
  there on the list who
 should perhaps scan their computer? :)

 Chris



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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier



Okay, am playing with this on one of my 'none-critical' servers right now
... tried to use uvscan from teh command line, and it didn't appear to
pick up any of the Klez stuff, even though I know I have a few in my
mailbox ...

What options should I be running as?  I'm using the following:

uvscan --analyse --recursive --mime --summary --program /var/spool/mail

On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:

 On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
  God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
  we had the lists open? :)
 I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
 people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
 getting in the door.

 Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?


 
 
  On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
 
   Hi guys,
  
   I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
   I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
   should perhaps scan their computer? :)
  
   Chris
  
  
  
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier


figured it out ... uvscan isn't looking where ports installed the newer
.dat files ... fixed that and it finds 63 virii infected files instead of
just 5 :)

one step closer ...

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:



 Okay, am playing with this on one of my 'none-critical' servers right now
 ... tried to use uvscan from teh command line, and it didn't appear to
 pick up any of the Klez stuff, even though I know I have a few in my
 mailbox ...

 What options should I be running as?  I'm using the following:

 uvscan --analyse --recursive --mime --summary --program /var/spool/mail

 On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:

  On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  
   God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
   we had the lists open? :)
  I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
  people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
  getting in the door.
 
  Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
 
 
  
  
   On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
  
Hi guys,
   
I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
should perhaps scan their computer? :)
   
Chris
   
   
   
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier


Okay, this is sweet ... but can someone tell me where I 'Buy' a copy of
uvscan?  I've searched McAfee, but can't seem to find it in their eStore
anywhere ...


On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:

 On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
  God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
  we had the lists open? :)
 I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
 people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
 getting in the door.

 Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?


 
 
  On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
 
   Hi guys,
  
   I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
   I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
   should perhaps scan their computer? :)
  
   Chris
  
  
  
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Larry Rosenman

Try their corporate sales droids

If you can't find one, I'll ask my contract client

LER

On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 13:20, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
 Okay, this is sweet ... but can someone tell me where I 'Buy' a copy of
 uvscan?  I've searched McAfee, but can't seem to find it in their eStore
 anywhere ...
 
 
 On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  
   God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
   we had the lists open? :)
  I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
  people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
  getting in the door.
 
  Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
 
 
  
  
   On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
  
Hi guys,
   
I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
should perhaps scan their computer? :)
   
Chris
   
   
   
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne

Hmmm - I'm pretty sure that uvscan won't automatically extract out MIME
attachements.  You need to scan normal files.

We use inflex on our mail servers to extract all our emails before
scanning...

Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2002 10:47 PM
 To: Larry Rosenman
 Cc: Christopher Kings-Lynne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails




 Okay, am playing with this on one of my 'none-critical' servers right now
 ... tried to use uvscan from teh command line, and it didn't appear to
 pick up any of the Klez stuff, even though I know I have a few in my
 mailbox ...

 What options should I be running as?  I'm using the following:

 uvscan --analyse --recursive --mime --summary --program /var/spool/mail

 On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:

  On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  
   God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ...
 imagine if
   we had the lists open? :)
  I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
  people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
  getting in the door.
 
  Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
 
 
  
  
   On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
  
Hi guys,
   
I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of
 your guys.  eg.
I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out
 there on the list who
should perhaps scan their computer? :)
   
Chris
   
   
   
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne

I would also like to know this!  They don't mention it anywhere on their
site!

Chris

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 Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 2:20 AM
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 Cc: Christopher Kings-Lynne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails



 Okay, this is sweet ... but can someone tell me where I 'Buy' a copy of
 uvscan?  I've searched McAfee, but can't seem to find it in their eStore
 anywhere ...


 On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:

  On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  
   God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ...
 imagine if
   we had the lists open? :)
  I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
  people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
  getting in the door.
 
  Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
 
 
  
  
   On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
  
Hi guys,
   
I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of
 your guys.  eg.
I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out
 there on the list who
should perhaps scan their computer? :)
   
Chris
   
   
   
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Dave Cramer

uvscan doesn't extract out MIME attachments but amavis does. You have to
have a whole lot of un archivers on the system for that reason.

Dave
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 22:13, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
 Hmmm - I'm pretty sure that uvscan won't automatically extract out MIME
 attachements.  You need to scan normal files.
 
 We use inflex on our mail servers to extract all our emails before
 scanning...
 
 Chris
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2002 10:47 PM
  To: Larry Rosenman
  Cc: Christopher Kings-Lynne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails
 
 
 
 
  Okay, am playing with this on one of my 'none-critical' servers right now
  ... tried to use uvscan from teh command line, and it didn't appear to
  pick up any of the Klez stuff, even though I know I have a few in my
  mailbox ...
 
  What options should I be running as?  I'm using the following:
 
  uvscan --analyse --recursive --mime --summary --program /var/spool/mail
 
  On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:
 
   On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
   
God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ...
  imagine if
we had the lists open? :)
   I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
   people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
   getting in the door.
  
   Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
  
  
   
   
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
   
 Hi guys,

 I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of
  your guys.  eg.
 I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out
  there on the list who
 should perhaps scan their computer? :)

 Chris



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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Larry Rosenman

I'll ask my contract what they paid



On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 00:00, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
 the only thing I've found so far (I've email'd their sales guy, but
 haven't heard back yet) on their site is a 'calculator' that depends on
 number of users ... for the University I work out, I believe the cost came
 out to something like $99kUS, and I went low on my figures for # of users
 :)
 
 Thank god there is more then just McAfee out there .. unless those #'s are
 wrong, am definitely going to be looking at alternatives ...
 
 On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
 
  I would also like to know this!  They don't mention it anywhere on their
  site!
 
  Chris
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
   Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 2:20 AM
   To: Larry Rosenman
   Cc: Christopher Kings-Lynne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails
  
  
  
   Okay, this is sweet ... but can someone tell me where I 'Buy' a copy of
   uvscan?  I've searched McAfee, but can't seem to find it in their eStore
   anywhere ...
  
  
   On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:
  
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

 God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ...
   imagine if
 we had the lists open? :)
I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
getting in the door.
   
Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?
   
   


 On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:

  Hi guys,
 
  I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of
   your guys.  eg.
  I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out
   there on the list who
  should perhaps scan their computer? :)
 
  Chris
 
 
 
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-29 Thread Vince Vielhaber

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
  God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
  we had the lists open? :)
 

 How do you prevent virus emails from coming in that look like they are
 from the intended person?  Does the filter check only the envelope from
 and not the From: line?

Don't filter, scan for viruses.  McAfee finds it just fine.

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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-29 Thread Vince Vielhaber

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

 On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:

  On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  
   God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
   we had the lists open? :)
  I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
  people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
  getting in the door.
 
  Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same?

 One of the many things on my list to do ... how do you find the vscan
 stuff?  do you find it slows down email noticeably?

pop4 doesn't even break a sweat and a ton of mail goes thru there every
day.

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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-28 Thread David Walker

That may be true with some variants.
However my mail server has rejected the relay of several mails sent pretending 
to be from me (envelope sender) to other parties and I think these could be 
klez variants or another such virus.  Since my server rejected them I cannot 
be sure of the contents.

On Sunday 28 July 2002 04:06 am, Curt Sampson wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
  One of the nastier aspects of the Klez virus
 
  However, even a trivial look at the detail mail headers (Received: etc)
  will convince you that the spam did not originate from the claimed
  From: address.  If you care to post a few sets of complete headers,
  we can probably triangulate pretty quickly on the virus-infected loser
  who's originating these messages.

 It appears to me that the envelope sender is not forged by Klez.H,
 assuming that that's the virus I'm getting all the time. So you
 could check for the Return-Path: header, or maybe From  (note:
 no colon) if you're using a Berkeley-mailbox style system, and find
 out the e-mail address of the real sender.

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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-28 Thread Curt Sampson

On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote:

 One of the nastier aspects of the Klez virus

 However, even a trivial look at the detail mail headers (Received: etc)
 will convince you that the spam did not originate from the claimed
 From: address.  If you care to post a few sets of complete headers,
 we can probably triangulate pretty quickly on the virus-infected loser
 who's originating these messages.

It appears to me that the envelope sender is not forged by Klez.H,
assuming that that's the virus I'm getting all the time. So you
could check for the Return-Path: header, or maybe From  (note:
no colon) if you're using a Berkeley-mailbox style system, and find
out the e-mail address of the real sender.

cjs
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-28 Thread Marc G. Fournier


God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
we had the lists open? :)


On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-28 Thread Larry Rosenman

On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
 God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if
 we had the lists open? :)
I picked up a copy of McAfee's vscan for FreeBSD from one of my contract
people, and have amavisd-milter running to prevent them from even
getting in the door. 

Mayhaps pgsql.org should do the same? 


 
 
 On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
 
  Hi guys,
 
  I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
  I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
  should perhaps scan their computer? :)
 
  Chris
 
 
 
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Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-27 Thread Tom Lane

Christopher Kings-Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
 I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
 should perhaps scan their computer? :)

One of the nastier aspects of the Klez virus is that it searches
accessible files and webpages for email addresses.  It doesn't just spam
all the addresses it can find --- it spams each address with a false
From: that's a found-nearby address.  So mail-list archives are a
gold mine for it: it can spam you with a false From: that you will
probably recognize.

However, even a trivial look at the detail mail headers (Received: etc)
will convince you that the spam did not originate from the claimed
From: address.  If you care to post a few sets of complete headers,
we can probably triangulate pretty quickly on the virus-infected loser
who's originating these messages.

regards, tom lane

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[HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-26 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne

Hi guys,

I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys.  eg.
I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc.  Anyone out there on the list who
should perhaps scan their computer? :)

Chris



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