Re: [SQL] Client-side compression

2009-06-24 Thread Filip RembiaƂkowski
2009/6/23 Rob Sargent 

>
> Not sure if this belongs here or on the admin or performance list.
>  Apologies if so. (And this may be a second posting as the first was from an
> un-registered account.  Further apologies)
>
> My assumption is that any de/compression done by postgres would be
> server-side.
>
> We're considering minimizing bandwidth utilization


Why? Are you hitting some limit?



> by using client-side compression on a column value that will typically be
> multi-megabyte in size.  We would use ALTER TABLE SET STORAGE EXTERNAL to
> prevent the server from un-necessary compression.
>
> Is this generally worthwhile?


No general answer, sorry.

It depends on other conditions and on what you want to achieve.

1. Almost always you will get better on-disk compression ratio. That's
because, quote from pg docs:
"The compression technique used is a fairly simple and very fast member of
the LZ family of compression techniques. See
src/backend/utils/adt/pg_lzcompress.c for the details."

2. You will force all client apps to decompress data on their side.

3. To minimize bandwith utilisation, there are other ways (think compressed
tunnels, SSL and so on - but it adds per-connection overhead)



>
> Is there a great penalty for a query which delves into the value, given
> that the server will not be aware it's compressed?


not clear. do you mean something like

SELECT ... FROM table where decompress(compressed_data) LIKE 'whatever'
???

of course it will be a great penalty.


 I assume we're pretty much on our own to prevent such actions (i.e. the app
> can never query against this column via sql).


certainly.



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Re: [SQL] Client-side compression

2009-06-24 Thread Jasen Betts
On 2009-06-23, Rob Sargent  wrote:
>
> Not sure if this belongs here or on the admin or performance list.  
> Apologies if so. (And this may be a second posting as the first was from 
> an un-registered account.  Further apologies)
>
> My assumption is that any de/compression done by postgres would be 
> server-side.

there may already be compression of the communication stream (probably not on
unix sockets)

> We're considering minimizing bandwidth utilization by using client-side 
> compression on a column value that will typically be multi-megabyte in 
> size.  We would use ALTER TABLE SET STORAGE EXTERNAL to prevent the 
> server from un-necessary compression.
>
> Is this generally worthwhile?  I haven't found any thread on the subject 
> of client-side compress so any pointer more than welcome.

we recently switched from uncompressed pixmaps to JPEG data for some stored 
images. we have not tested performance but have certainly not noticed a 
decrease in performance.

> Is there a great penalty for a query which delves into the value, given 
> that the server will not be aware it's compressed?  I assume we're 
> pretty much on our own to prevent such actions (i.e. the app can never 
> query against this column via sql).

It just looks like data to the server.

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[SQL] Client-side compression

2009-06-23 Thread Rob Sargent


Not sure if this belongs here or on the admin or performance list.  
Apologies if so. (And this may be a second posting as the first was from 
an un-registered account.  Further apologies)


My assumption is that any de/compression done by postgres would be 
server-side.


We're considering minimizing bandwidth utilization by using client-side 
compression on a column value that will typically be multi-megabyte in 
size.  We would use ALTER TABLE SET STORAGE EXTERNAL to prevent the 
server from un-necessary compression.


Is this generally worthwhile?  I haven't found any thread on the subject 
of client-side compress so any pointer more than welcome.


Is there a great penalty for a query which delves into the value, given 
that the server will not be aware it's compressed?  I assume we're 
pretty much on our own to prevent such actions (i.e. the app can never 
query against this column via sql).




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