Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Dale Henrichs]

I just checked and it seems that GitLab has indeed changed the download 
filenames to the point where I think that a `gitlab://` url for 
Metacello could be supported ...


Dale

On 6/28/16 8:43 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
With regards to GitLab and Metacello. A couple of years ago, I looked 
into adding GitLab support to Metacello, similar to `github:\\` for 
downloading repository without requiring git to be installed and found 
that there were issues[1] ... Now that was in 2014 and it's possible 
that GitLab has fiddled with their zip download support, but I haven't 
checked ...


`github://` is convenient but if you are moving to full git support 
and expect everyone to be cloning projects into local repos (by hook 
or by crook) not being able to download a zip version of the project 
is less of a problem ...


Dale

[1] 
https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/issues/287#issuecomment-59815235



On 6/27/16 7:05 PM, Ben Coman wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Sean P. DeNigris 
 wrote:

stepharo wrote

maybe we need to consider deprecate the amber client
and use a full-pharo version.

Torsten what is the state of your solution?
Is it worth it to take another trip down this road of 
rolling-our-own source
code repo? Whatever we create, we accept the responsibility to 
maintain, and

with GitHub's social coding features, BitBucket for free private repo
hosting, and all the advances in Pharo-git integration, it seems our 
limited

resources would be most effectively committed elsewhere...

Jumping ahead to the end game of not needing to support development of
the repository backend ourselves,
there are a couple of levels to this...

1. Create a "SmalltalkHub" organisation on github and move *all*
repositories (maintaining privacy. Synchronize between the two servers
for a couple of years so as to not abandon old Pharo versions or break
existing Configurations, or build a thin forwarding service such that
requests received at smalltalkhub interact with github - perhaps this
is read only.Build a thin web SmalltalkHub home page with github
pages at smalltalkhub.io.

2. While GitHub gets most of the glory, its closed source and there
are some open source git options to consider like GitLab (MIT license)
or Gerrit (Apache license).  This might be the path to choose if we
need some Smalltalk customizations like Smalltalk syntax highlighting.
The advantage of integrating with GitLab would be that the community
could use their hosted solution, but private companies could run their
own GitLab server if they have secrets they want to be more careful
about sharing with third parties.

3. We might run a GitLab/Gerrit server in place of the existing
Smalltalkhub server, and make it look the same for pre-git Pharo
clients.  There would still be some administration cost, but a larger
community for support, features and bug fixing, or paid support
options.
* https://www.linux.com/learn/how-run-your-own-git-server
* https://about.gitlab.com/applications/
* https://www.gerritcodereview.com/
* 
https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/config-plugins.html


But these considerations shouldn't stop an intermediate solution.
cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Dale Henrichs]

With regards to GitLab and Metacello. A couple of years ago, I looked 
into adding GitLab support to Metacello, similar to `github:\\` for 
downloading repository without requiring git to be installed and found 
that there were issues[1] ... Now that was in 2014 and it's possible 
that GitLab has fiddled with their zip download support, but I haven't 
checked ...


`github://` is convenient but if you are moving to full git support and 
expect everyone to be cloning projects into local repos (by hook or by 
crook) not being able to download a zip version of the project is less 
of a problem ...


Dale

[1] 
https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/issues/287#issuecomment-59815235



On 6/27/16 7:05 PM, Ben Coman wrote:

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Sean P. DeNigris  wrote:

stepharo wrote

maybe we need to consider deprecate the amber client
and use a full-pharo version.

Torsten what is the state of your solution?

Is it worth it to take another trip down this road of rolling-our-own source
code repo? Whatever we create, we accept the responsibility to maintain, and
with GitHub's social coding features, BitBucket for free private repo
hosting, and all the advances in Pharo-git integration, it seems our limited
resources would be most effectively committed elsewhere...

Jumping ahead to the end game of not needing to support development of
the repository backend ourselves,
there are a couple of levels to this...

1. Create a "SmalltalkHub" organisation on github and move *all*
repositories (maintaining privacy. Synchronize between the two servers
for a couple of years so as to not abandon old Pharo versions or break
existing Configurations, or build a thin forwarding service such that
requests received at smalltalkhub interact with github - perhaps this
is read only.Build a thin web SmalltalkHub home page with github
pages at smalltalkhub.io.

2. While GitHub gets most of the glory, its closed source and there
are some open source git options to consider like GitLab (MIT license)
or Gerrit (Apache license).  This might be the path to choose if we
need some Smalltalk customizations like Smalltalk syntax highlighting.
The advantage of integrating with GitLab would be that the community
could use their hosted solution, but private companies could run their
own GitLab server if they have secrets they want to be more careful
about sharing with third parties.

3. We might run a GitLab/Gerrit server in place of the existing
Smalltalkhub server, and make it look the same for pre-git Pharo
clients.  There would still be some administration cost, but a larger
community for support, features and bug fixing, or paid support
options.
* https://www.linux.com/learn/how-run-your-own-git-server
* https://about.gitlab.com/applications/
* https://www.gerritcodereview.com/
* https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/config-plugins.html

But these considerations shouldn't stop an intermediate solution.
cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Ben Coman]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Sean P. DeNigris  wrote:
> stepharo wrote
>>> maybe we need to consider deprecate the amber client
>>> and use a full-pharo version.
>>
>> Torsten what is the state of your solution?
>
> Is it worth it to take another trip down this road of rolling-our-own source
> code repo? Whatever we create, we accept the responsibility to maintain, and
> with GitHub's social coding features, BitBucket for free private repo
> hosting, and all the advances in Pharo-git integration, it seems our limited
> resources would be most effectively committed elsewhere...

Jumping ahead to the end game of not needing to support development of
the repository backend ourselves,
there are a couple of levels to this...

1. Create a "SmalltalkHub" organisation on github and move *all*
repositories (maintaining privacy. Synchronize between the two servers
for a couple of years so as to not abandon old Pharo versions or break
existing Configurations, or build a thin forwarding service such that
requests received at smalltalkhub interact with github - perhaps this
is read only.Build a thin web SmalltalkHub home page with github
pages at smalltalkhub.io.

2. While GitHub gets most of the glory, its closed source and there
are some open source git options to consider like GitLab (MIT license)
or Gerrit (Apache license).  This might be the path to choose if we
need some Smalltalk customizations like Smalltalk syntax highlighting.
The advantage of integrating with GitLab would be that the community
could use their hosted solution, but private companies could run their
own GitLab server if they have secrets they want to be more careful
about sharing with third parties.

3. We might run a GitLab/Gerrit server in place of the existing
Smalltalkhub server, and make it look the same for pre-git Pharo
clients.  There would still be some administration cost, but a larger
community for support, features and bug fixing, or paid support
options.
* https://www.linux.com/learn/how-run-your-own-git-server
* https://about.gitlab.com/applications/
* https://www.gerritcodereview.com/
* https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/config-plugins.html

But these considerations shouldn't stop an intermediate solution.
cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Sean P. DeNigris]

stepharo wrote
>> maybe we need to consider deprecate the amber client 
>> and use a full-pharo version.
> 
> Torsten what is the state of your solution?

Is it worth it to take another trip down this road of rolling-our-own source
code repo? Whatever we create, we accept the responsibility to maintain, and
with GitHub's social coding features, BitBucket for free private repo
hosting, and all the advances in Pharo-git integration, it seems our limited
resources would be most effectively committed elsewhere...



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[stepharo]

honestly, I want to get rid off sthub, but I imagine it will be around 
for some time… so maybe we need to consider deprecate the amber client 
and use a full-pharo version.


Torsten what is the state of your solution?


Some remarks:
- I don’t know if is finished
- I know it was not compatible at voyage level, so some work needs to 
be done there...


Esteban

On 26 Jun 2016, at 18:33, stepharo > wrote:


But my point is that

- we do not need it (not a the cost to have a complete stack to 
maintain)


- and for the really few palces where you need you can use Jquery!


Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Esteban Lorenzano]

Torsten made a replacement for smalltalkhub fully on seaside+bootstrap… 

honestly, I want to get rid off sthub, but I imagine it will be around for some 
time… so maybe we need to consider deprecate the amber client and use a 
full-pharo version.

Some remarks: 
- I don’t know if is finished
- I know it was not compatible at voyage level, so some work needs to be done 
there...

Esteban

> On 26 Jun 2016, at 18:33, stepharo  wrote:
> 
> But my point is that
> 
> - we do not need it (not a the cost to have a complete stack to maintain)
> - and for the really few palces where you need you can use Jquery!
> 
> 
> Stef
> 
> Le 26/6/16 à 11:34, Peter Uhnák a écrit :
>> > This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in Javascript
>> 
>> If you want it to be interactive, there's no choice but to use javascript… 
>> well at least until WebAssembly comes out.
>> 
>> What I've noticed when STHub got stuck like this for me (it happened many 
>> times in the past), is that one of the loaded resources 404ed, so the load 
>> never finished.
>> After I've cleaned the cache it worked fine again.
>> 
>> So I think this was a server problem (Zinc?) that didn't properly return 
>> files.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Max Leske > > wrote:
>> 
>> > On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris < 
>> > s...@clipperadams.com 
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version 34.0.1847.116 on
>> > Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…
>> 
>> For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time. I don’t 
>> think it is browser related.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Max
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sean
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:  
>> > http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-Hub-on-Chrome-tp4755788.html
>> >  
>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at 
>> > Nabble.com.
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[stepharo]

But my point is that

- we do not need it (not a the cost to have a complete stack to 
maintain)


- and for the really few palces where you need you can use Jquery!


Stef


Le 26/6/16 à 11:34, Peter Uhnák a écrit :
> This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in 
Javascript


If you want it to be interactive, there's no choice but to use 
javascript… well at least until WebAssembly comes out.


What I've noticed when STHub got stuck like this for me (it happened 
many times in the past), is that one of the loaded resources 404ed, so 
the load never finished.

After I've cleaned the cache it worked fine again.

So I think this was a server problem (Zinc?) that didn't properly 
return files.


Peter

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Max Leske > wrote:



> On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris
mailto:s...@clipperadams.com>> wrote:
>
> I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version
34.0.1847.116 on
> Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…

For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time.
I don’t think it is browser related.

Cheers,
Max

>
>
>
> -
> Cheers,
> Sean
> --
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Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Peter Uhnák]

exactly :)

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Dimitris Chloupis 
wrote:

> ah ok i stand corrected, just google it
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 1:48 PM Dimitris Chloupis 
> wrote:
>
>> Isnt WebAssembly Javascript anyway ?
>>
>> I dont see how you can avoid javascript in the browser
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM Peter Uhnák  wrote:
>>
>>> > This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in
>>> Javascript
>>>
>>> If you want it to be interactive, there's no choice but to use
>>> javascript… well at least until WebAssembly comes out.
>>>
>>> What I've noticed when STHub got stuck like this for me (it happened
>>> many times in the past), is that one of the loaded resources 404ed, so the
>>> load never finished.
>>> After I've cleaned the cache it worked fine again.
>>>
>>> So I think this was a server problem (Zinc?) that didn't properly return
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Max Leske  wrote:
>>>

 > On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris 
 wrote:
 >
 > I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version
 34.0.1847.116 on
 > Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…

 For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time. I
 don’t think it is browser related.

 Cheers,
 Max

 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Cheers,
 > Sean
 > --
 > View this message in context:
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 Nabble.com.
 >



>>>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Dimitris Chloupis]

ah ok i stand corrected, just google it

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 1:48 PM Dimitris Chloupis 
wrote:

> Isnt WebAssembly Javascript anyway ?
>
> I dont see how you can avoid javascript in the browser
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM Peter Uhnák  wrote:
>
>> > This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in
>> Javascript
>>
>> If you want it to be interactive, there's no choice but to use
>> javascript… well at least until WebAssembly comes out.
>>
>> What I've noticed when STHub got stuck like this for me (it happened many
>> times in the past), is that one of the loaded resources 404ed, so the load
>> never finished.
>> After I've cleaned the cache it worked fine again.
>>
>> So I think this was a server problem (Zinc?) that didn't properly return
>> files.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Max Leske  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version
>>> 34.0.1847.116 on
>>> > Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…
>>>
>>> For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time. I
>>> don’t think it is browser related.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Max
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Sean
>>> > --
>>> > View this message in context:
>>> http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-Hub-on-Chrome-tp4755788.html
>>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>>> Nabble.com.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Dimitris Chloupis]

Isnt WebAssembly Javascript anyway ?

I dont see how you can avoid javascript in the browser

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM Peter Uhnák  wrote:

> > This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in
> Javascript
>
> If you want it to be interactive, there's no choice but to use javascript…
> well at least until WebAssembly comes out.
>
> What I've noticed when STHub got stuck like this for me (it happened many
> times in the past), is that one of the loaded resources 404ed, so the load
> never finished.
> After I've cleaned the cache it worked fine again.
>
> So I think this was a server problem (Zinc?) that didn't properly return
> files.
>
> Peter
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Max Leske  wrote:
>
>>
>> > On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version
>> 34.0.1847.116 on
>> > Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…
>>
>> For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time. I
>> don’t think it is browser related.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Max
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sean
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-Hub-on-Chrome-tp4755788.html
>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
>> Nabble.com.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Peter Uhnák]

> This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in Javascript

If you want it to be interactive, there's no choice but to use javascript…
well at least until WebAssembly comes out.

What I've noticed when STHub got stuck like this for me (it happened many
times in the past), is that one of the loaded resources 404ed, so the load
never finished.
After I've cleaned the cache it worked fine again.

So I think this was a server problem (Zinc?) that didn't properly return
files.

Peter

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Max Leske  wrote:

>
> > On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris 
> wrote:
> >
> > I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version 34.0.1847.116
> on
> > Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…
>
> For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time. I don’t
> think it is browser related.
>
> Cheers,
> Max
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Cheers,
> > Sean
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-Hub-on-Chrome-tp4755788.html
> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Max Leske]

> On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris  wrote:
> 
> I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version 34.0.1847.116 on
> Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine…

For what it’s worth, this happens in Safari too from time to time. I don’t 
think it is browser related.

Cheers,
Max

> 
> 
> 
> -
> Cheers,
> Sean
> --
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> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[stepharo]

This is why we should not have accepted to get it built in 
Javascript because after you have to maintain.


Stef


Le 23/4/14 à 04:16, Sean P. DeNigris a écrit :

It looks like this:





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Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Sean P. DeNigris]

It looks like this:

 



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Nicolas Petton]

Sean P. DeNigris writes:

> I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version 34.0.1847.116 on
> Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine...

Does the page load but stays without content, or is it another issue?

Nico

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[Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Hub on Chrome

[Sean P. DeNigris]

I noticed sometimes sthub hangs forever on Chrome (Version 34.0.1847.116 on
Mavericks), but if I open it alongside in Safari, it loads fine...



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