Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.
Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things. The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages. So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet... But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad. I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts music departments for apps on the iPad. I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet. On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote: Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any? http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/ Lawson -- === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com === smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.
I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re: how these policies negatively impact the future prospects for Smalltalk on the iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in the platform to date that Apple seems willing to wipe out. Wouldn't now be a good time to try to get some visibility on the larger issue? Phil On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:13 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: Good! John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM work for the iphone. STef On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:12 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: Morning, I've posted the letter I had posted to the Apple developer forums and sent to Steve Jobs at http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Interpreters.html I'll suggest there was some lifting of concept and quotes by Wired from letter. As of this morning I have no further news, I have heard thru various sources that the issue is not dead yet, So I wait. On 2010-04-16, at 11:09 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: Let me give everyone an update on what is going on with Scratch.app -- = = = = = = = John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = = = = = ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.
On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:26 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: On 2010-04-21, at 1:13 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: Good! John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM work for the iphone. STef Yes, I did conduct a magazine interview today where I ensured I did mentioned that ESUG funding was instrumental in getting the foundations of Scratch (aka Squeak VM) onto the iPhone, otherwise it would never have happened. Excellent! As everyone should be aware Scratch as an interpreted language is not allowed, but in the future Smalltalk as a language not on the short list is not allowed even if it's hidden from view or ultimately cross compiled into an Objective-C application. Great! But nothing really new on that front. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.
On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Phil (list) wrote: I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re: how these policies negatively impact the future prospects for Smalltalk on the iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in the platform to date that Apple seems willing to wipe out. Wouldn't now be a good time to try to get some visibility on the larger issue? We were waiting to get news from the scratch story. And also I'm not a really good politically correct person to write that so any text to start with would help the board to produce a statement going in that direction. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.
Phil, last week I asked the smalltalk community (ESUG etc), to stay claim and wait for Apple to think about it based on an email exchange I had with Steve Jobs. At the time I thought it prudent to wait a further decision or statement. Give that Wired publish Alan my thoughts on the matter it's likely now time to consider what to do next. So this is NOT the fault of ESUG not being proactive, they were itching to do something. At the moment I believe they are collecting ideas how to approach the problem in a meaningful manner. Suggestions are welcome. On 2010-04-21, at 1:29 PM, Phil (list) wrote: I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re: how these policies negatively impact the future prospects for Smalltalk on the iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in the platform to date that Apple seems willing to wipe out. Wouldn't now be a good time to try to get some visibility on the larger issue? Phil -- === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com === smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.
John Stephane, Fair enough and good to know that folks like ESUG will be weighing in. I think you're on the right track re: gathering vocal support from the Scratch community that is constructive rather than bashing Apple, and have mainly been wondering why there wasn't a more concerted push from the Smalltalk and dynamic languages community in general talking about how policies like this would make iPhone OS a non-viable platform for them and push them to invest in alternatives such as Android to the exclusion of iPhone OS, rather than in addition to it. I'm not sure how much additional impact that would have, but the endgame for many tools/languages on iPhone OS doesn't seem to be very far off and I'm not terribly optimistic on how this will be decided. Thanks, Phil On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:48 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: Phil, last week I asked the smalltalk community (ESUG etc), to stay claim and wait for Apple to think about it based on an email exchange I had with Steve Jobs. At the time I thought it prudent to wait a further decision or statement. Give that Wired publish Alan my thoughts on the matter it's likely now time to consider what to do next. So this is NOT the fault of ESUG not being proactive, they were itching to do something. At the moment I believe they are collecting ideas how to approach the problem in a meaningful manner. Suggestions are welcome. On 2010-04-21, at 1:29 PM, Phil (list) wrote: I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re: how these policies negatively impact the future prospects for Smalltalk on the iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in the platform to date that Apple seems willing to wipe out. Wouldn't now be a good time to try to get some visibility on the larger issue? Phil -- = = = = = == John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = = = == ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
