[Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Roelof Wobben]

Hello,

Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib

Roelof

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[kilon alios]

no unfortunately there is no such thing. Fortunately most open source
libraries out there still compile for 32 bit so you should not experience
any major issues.


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Roelof Wobben  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
> I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib
>
> Roelof
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Roelof Wobben]

  
  
Pity. Im using Frugalware which has
  pure 32 or pure 64 bit. 
  Then I need to download the 32 bit and install that one and ty to
  make Pharos work. 
  
  Roelof
  
  
  kilon alios schreef op 29-3-2014 15:16:


  no unfortunately there is no such thing.
Fortunately most open source libraries out there still compile
for 32 bit so you should not experience any major issues. 
  


  On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Roelof Wobben 
  wrote:
  
Hello,

Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no
multilib

Roelof


  


  


  

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[kilon alios]

what "pure" means ? as far I know a lib can be either 64 or 32 bit , but
not both. Yes you will need the 32 bit version to work it with pharo, of
course you still going to need a FFI like nativeboost or to write a VM
plugin to get it to work from inside Pharo.


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Roelof Wobben  wrote:

>  Pity. Im using Frugalware which has pure 32 or pure 64 bit.
> Then I need to download the 32 bit and install that one and ty to make
> Pharos work.
>
> Roelof
>
>
> kilon alios schreef op 29-3-2014 15:16:
>
> no unfortunately there is no such thing. Fortunately most open source
> libraries out there still compile for 32 bit so you should not experience
> any major issues.
>
>
>  On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Roelof Wobben  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
>> I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib
>>
>> Roelof
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Roelof Wobben]

kilon alios schreef op 29-3-2014 16:07:
what "pure" means ? as far I know a lib can be either 64 or 32 bit , 
but not both. Yes you will need the 32 bit version to work it with 
pharo, of course you still going to need a FFI like nativeboost or to 
write a VM plugin to get it to work from inside Pharo.




With Pure I mean I do not have a multilib system so I have the 32 and 
the 64 bit libraries.
I will download the 32 bit version and install it so I can install Pharo 
on my linux system.


Roelof

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Pharo4Stef]

no yet.
Planned for the end of the year.
Stef

> Hello,
> 
> Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
> I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib
> 
> Roelof
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Roelof Wobben]

Pharo4Stef schreef op 29-3-2014 16:02:

no yet.
Planned for the end of the year.
Stef


Hello,

Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib

Roelof







Thanks,
then I have to be patience to run Smalltalk on my 64 bit box.

Roelof

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Sergi Reyner]

2014-03-29 16:11 GMT+00:00 Roelof Wobben :

>
> Thanks,
> then I have to be patience to run Smalltalk on my 64 bit box.
>
>
Just set up a 32 bit installation inside a VM! :)

Cheers,
Sergi

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Tudor Girba]

That would be a very nice Christmas present! :)

Doru


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Pharo4Stef  wrote:

> no yet.
> Planned for the end of the year.
> Stef
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
> > I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib
> >
> > Roelof
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Pharo4Stef]

> Pity.

You know there is no magic powder. We are already really grateful that eliot is 
pushing the vm work. 
Esteban will help on the 64 bits and clement probably too or spur and new 
bytecodes plus language side optimisations. If we could pay 3 full time 
engineers in the future… but this is not the case.

> Im using Frugalware which has pure 32 or pure 64 bit. 
> Then I need to download the 32 bit and install that one and ty to make Pharos 
> work. 
> 
> Roelof
> 
> 
> kilon alios schreef op 29-3-2014 15:16:
>> no unfortunately there is no such thing. Fortunately most open source 
>> libraries out there still compile for 32 bit so you should not experience 
>> any major issues. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Roelof Wobben  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is there a 64 bit version of Pharo.
>> I use a 64 bit version without the 32 bit libraries so no multilib
>> 
>> Roelof
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Roelof Wobben]

  
  
Pharo4Stef schreef op 29-3-2014 21:07:


  
  


  
  
Pity. 
  



You know there is no magic powder. We are already really
  grateful that eliot is pushing the vm work. 
Esteban will help on the 64 bits and clement probably too
  or spur and new bytecodes plus language side optimisations. If
  we could pay 3 full time engineers in the future… but this is
  not the case.

  


I know that and it's not that i think the developer do a bad job.
It's more a expresiion of my feeling.

Roelof

  

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Pharo4Stef]

On 29 Mar 2014, at 21:16, Roelof Wobben  wrote:

> Pharo4Stef schreef op 29-3-2014 21:07:
>> 
>> 
>>> Pity.
>> 
>> You know there is no magic powder. We are already really grateful that eliot 
>> is pushing the vm work. 
>> Esteban will help on the 64 bits and clement probably too or spur and new 
>> bytecodes plus language side optimisations. If we could pay 3 full time 
>> engineers in the future… but this is not the case.
>> 
> 
> I know that and it's not that i think the developer do a bad job.
> It's more a expresiion of my feeling.

Ok then I share the same feeling :)

> 
> Roelof
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Clément Bera]

Hey,

For 64 bits Spur is a big step forward. For Christmas you should have at
least the stack VM in 64bits. The JIT may take a bit longer to port.
Esteban and Eliot will work on that starting from May.

There's also the solution to compile the VM in 64bits with a 32bits runtime
(I think FFI does not work, but the VM works in 64bits environment, as
gettimothy posted on vm-dev).


2014-03-29 13:18 GMT-07:00 Pharo4Stef :

>
> On 29 Mar 2014, at 21:16, Roelof Wobben  wrote:
>
> > Pharo4Stef schreef op 29-3-2014 21:07:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Pity.
> >>
> >> You know there is no magic powder. We are already really grateful that
> eliot is pushing the vm work.
> >> Esteban will help on the 64 bits and clement probably too or spur and
> new bytecodes plus language side optimisations. If we could pay 3 full time
> engineers in the future... but this is not the case.
> >>
> >
> > I know that and it's not that i think the developer do a bad job.
> > It's more a expresiion of my feeling.
>
> Ok then I share the same feeling :)
>
> >
> > Roelof
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] 64 bit version

[Andres Valloud]

And in Windows land, "long" is 32 bits even for 64 bit apps...

Even after you're done with the VM part, someone will have to go audit 
all the external interfaces and make sure they really follow the manual.


On 4/1/14 21:24 , p...@highoctane.be wrote:

How would that work?
Would this be a 32 bit Object memory and engine compiled in 64bit mode?
How is the code amended to make that possible?
Is there a source tree somewhere?

There are "int"s all over the place, so, how do we handle this?

For the Slang part it appears doable. For the support code, especially
Windows, it looks harder.

TIA
Phil

Le 2 avr. 2014 01:07, "Clément Bera" mailto:bera.clem...@gmail.com>> a écrit :

Hey,

For 64 bits Spur is a big step forward. For Christmas you should
have at least the stack VM in 64bits. The JIT may take a bit longer
to port. Esteban and Eliot will work on that starting from May.

There's also the solution to compile the VM in 64bits with a 32bits
runtime (I think FFI does not work, but the VM works in 64bits
environment, as gettimothy posted on vm-dev).


2014-03-29 13:18 GMT-07:00 Pharo4Stef mailto:pharo4s...@free.fr>>:


On 29 Mar 2014, at 21:16, Roelof Wobben mailto:r.wob...@home.nl>> wrote:

 > Pharo4Stef schreef op 29-3-2014 21:07:
 >>
 >>
 >>> Pity.
 >>
 >> You know there is no magic powder. We are already really
grateful that eliot is pushing the vm work.
 >> Esteban will help on the 64 bits and clement probably too or
spur and new bytecodes plus language side optimisations. If we
could pay 3 full time engineers in the future… but this is not
the case.
 >>
 >
 > I know that and it's not that i think the developer do a bad job.
 > It's more a expresiion of my feeling.

Ok then I share the same feeling :)

 >
 > Roelof
 >