Re: [Pharo-users] Calypso - can we improve the bar of radio buttons?

2018-06-25 Thread Ben Coman
On 25 June 2018 at 21:49, Tim Mackinnon  wrote:

> Hi - I don’t want to case a UI war, particularly as I was very impressed
> with Denis’ presentation about Calypso at the PharoDays conference last
> year.
>

I'm also very much enjoying Calypso.  Especially the multiple tabs for the
code pane
and being able to peak at the class definition half way through editing a
method.



> Now that I’ve made a concerted effort to try and use Calypso, and in
> general like it,  I do however find that the bar of Radio Buttons above the
> tabs is a bit overwhelming and I’m wondering if there might be something we
> can do to help make it less so?
>
> I’m sure the problem is the age old observation that a checkbox or button
> that toggles between states is difficult to understand whether its on or
> off and what the alternate state is - so this is why we now have a row of 8
> radio buttons.
>
> But 8 is a lot of radio buttons… which  I find visually hard to parse and
> often find the order of the buttons the opposite to what I expect - eg.
> When I want to see class methods I keep pausing over that group to see
> which one to click (for some reason I keep thinking the class one should be
> before the instance one - not sure if anyone else notices this).
>
> I’m also not overly keen on the terminology of “side” (as in class side,
> vs inst. side) and equally I question abbreviations like: Hier. Inst. Refs.
>
> Can we not just get rid of that bar completely - and put little icon
> buttons next to the filter field for pkg/project and flat/hierarchy ?
>

It would be interesting to see an experiment that replaced that bar with
tabs above each pane:
Pane 1:  [Packages][Projects] tabs
Pane 2:  [Flat][Hierarchy] tabs
Pane 3:  [Instance][Class] tabs**
Pane 4:  [Method][Variables] tabs

If 3[Instance] > 4[Variables] would show
  class-variables...
  instance-variables...

and 3[Class] > 4[Variables] would show
   class-variables...
   class-instance-variables...

this could help familiarize newcomers with the scope of these terms.

cheers -ben





> OR  given the method pane is now a tree and it already has an entry
> “instance side” - why not just have entries for “instance methods” and
> “class methods” and just expand accordingly? We also now have a tab “Inst.
> side method” - why not 2 tabs “+instance method” and “+class method”. It
> breaks a bit with regular smalltalk browser conventions - but I think
> Calypso has already pushed the boat out on all this anyway in favour of
> improved navigation and ease of typing code.
>
> My understanding is that this is all pretty doable with the mechanism
> Denis has put in place. I’m tempted to have a look, but thought I’d see
> what that general feeling is here, as maybe I’m on my own here.
>
> Tim
>


[Pharo-users] Calypso - can we improve the bar of radio buttons?

2018-06-25 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Hi - I don’t want to case a UI war, particularly as I was very impressed with 
Denis’ presentation about Calypso at the PharoDays conference last year.

Now that I’ve made a concerted effort to try and use Calypso, and in general 
like it,  I do however find that the bar of Radio Buttons above the tabs is a 
bit overwhelming and I’m wondering if there might be something we can do to 
help make it less so?

I’m sure the problem is the age old observation that a checkbox or button that 
toggles between states is difficult to understand whether its on or off and 
what the alternate state is - so this is why we now have a row of 8 radio 
buttons. 

But 8 is a lot of radio buttons… which  I find visually hard to parse and often 
find the order of the buttons the opposite to what I expect - eg. When I want 
to see class methods I keep pausing over that group to see which one to click 
(for some reason I keep thinking the class one should be before the instance 
one - not sure if anyone else notices this).

I’m also not overly keen on the terminology of “side” (as in class side, vs 
inst. side) and equally I question abbreviations like: Hier. Inst. Refs.

Can we not just get rid of that bar completely - and put little icon buttons 
next to the filter field for pkg/project and flat/hierarchy ?

OR  given the method pane is now a tree and it already has an entry “instance 
side” - why not just have entries for “instance methods” and “class methods” 
and just expand accordingly? We also now have a tab “Inst. side method” - why 
not 2 tabs “+instance method” and “+class method”. It breaks a bit with regular 
smalltalk browser conventions - but I think Calypso has already pushed the boat 
out on all this anyway in favour of improved navigation and ease of typing code.

My understanding is that this is all pretty doable with the mechanism Denis has 
put in place. I’m tempted to have a look, but thought I’d see what that general 
feeling is here, as maybe I’m on my own here.

Tim