[Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...
Yes, and I am Leeds Catlin. I will pirate you, and it will take years and years of litigation to stop me. Bwa Hah! Hah! Hah! ;-) Ty - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In Oregon, all it takes is $50 to register an assumed business name. Heck, I'll go one step further and claim the Edison distributorship for the west coast. Take that Jerry Blais and Brice Paris! Loran On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:28 PM, wilenzick at bellsouth.net wrote: I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights of the Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India bought the name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right or not? Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...
actually it makes him either a huge devotee...or a crackpot. On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:55 PM, C5fan at aol.com wrote: I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the company in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make him the successor. . In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business is that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph Works...to me that is just plain dishonest. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano jpisano at cox.net wrote: From: John Pisano jpisano at cox.net Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation
My 1As and 1B has the urn in the lower half as is seen on the Edison catalogues of the era. The catalogues I have for each year do not show the urn on top upside down in any depiction. Al **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001)
[Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...
He's a huge devotee. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:03 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... actually it makes him either a huge devotee...or a crackpot. On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:55 PM, C5fan at aol.com wrote: I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the company in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make him the successor. . In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business is that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph Works...to me that is just plain dishonest. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano jpisano at cox.net wrote: From: John Pisano jpisano at cox.net Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...
Since I believe the Edison Phonograph Works was superceded by the National Phonograph Company, he could not have bought the name. I don't believe the HMV name was purchased by Indiands either as there are so many makers producing 'HMV' crapophones. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, wilenzick at bellsouth.net wilenzick at bellsouth.net wrote: From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net wilenz...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:28 PM I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights of the Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India bought the name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right or not? Ray - Original Message - From: c5...@aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the company in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make him the successor. . In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business is that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph Works...to me that is just plain dishonest. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano jpisano at cox.net wrote: From: John Pisano jpisano at cox.net Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...
I believe a Chinese company owns the rights to HMV. Oliver Berliner would not say exactly who it was. From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:28:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights of the Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India bought the name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right or not? Ray - Original Message - From: C5fan at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the company in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make him the successor. .In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business is that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph Works...to me that is just plain dishonest. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano jpisano at cox.net wrote: From: John Pisano jpisano at cox.net Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Rights to HMV
Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com
[Phono-L] Rights to HMV
If the specific graphic art(trademark) is not renewed every 5 years with the US government it becomes available for use by anyone until someone comes up with the registration fee. This is country specific and not a world wide license for a trademark unless there is a reciprocity treaty with an other country. In other words, Kimberly-Clark Worldwide, Inc has to come up with a couple of $$ for the worlds supply of petty bureaucrats every 5 years(for the US, other countries may be different) to maintain control over the use of the word Kleenex. Robin Rolfs wrote: Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Rights to HMV
Thanks, Robin, for that fascinating information. What a convoluted history the logo has! Thanks for your wonderful book too! --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Robin Rolfs nipper at dataex.com wrote: From: Robin Rolfs nip...@dataex.com Subject: [Phono-L] Rights to HMV To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:28 PM Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?
Hi, I have one paypal account which I use strictly for buying whenever anyone absolutely requires it. I got a new credit card to use with it, and it has a low credit amount associated with it...I did this intentionally, lest someone hack into the account. Also: I had a problem with an ebay seller, and paypal did little to resolve the problem, ultimately sending me to my credit card company! Your own credit card company is more likely to be on your side with problems anyway. So, personally, if I can, I use a credit card directly rather than paypal to buy something. I've also considered taking paypal for payment, but there is no free account for multiple transactions. AND they hang on to your money, yet expect you to ship out the item immediately. If your buyer is a bum, you can get raked bigtime, because paypal does not want to let go of the money. There's no question that paypal is here to stay, but as I said, I use it sparingly. JMHO Ger -- Original message -- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation
My 1As and 1B has the urn in the lower half as is seen on the Edison catalogues of the era. The catalogues I have for each year do not show the urn on top upside down in any depiction. - Al I have observed a few Edison cabinets with the urn upside-down, particularly on the Herzog-style cabinets.? (As you know, some of these were re-worked by Pooley and the rococo grilles substituted for the lyre grilles.)? There is definitely some inconsistency, but if I were choosing an orientation as you are, I'd stick with the conventional configuration. - George Thank you Al and George (and anyone else who has replied - my digest version may be a little behind). I had another collector write to say that he has a 1A grill which is down while another 1A and an A250 are both up. I believe I will likely go with George's advice on grill orientation, but the presence of both orientations in such numbers implies to me that both variations existed originally. This seems a little counterintuitive and I would like to hear if any period photos show this grill in urn at top opening down orientation. Again, thanks for your comments, Don
