Re: [Phono-L] They were so dumb back in the old days...
I want #4, the Mikiphones and that odd #9... From: phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:39:07 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] They were so dumb back in the old days... Hi Everyone: I thought that you might find this interesting. I think some of us might beg to differ with the enlightened individual who compiled this information! http://gizmodo.com/5693911/12-mildly-ridiculous-portable-record-players?skyline=trues=i Don Henry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records
I tried to find it on 78rpm.com, but can't find the link. Where did you order yours and how much? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:38:37 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records Be jealous - he's doing a book signing at the GSPS December meeting at the Corbett's. Can't wait. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: gpaul2...@aol.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:55:03 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records I received my copy a few days ago, and it's fabulous. The labels are eye-popping, and there's a ton of information, including a very thorough exploration of Berliner records and the birth of American Zonophone. Picture discs, personality recordings, test pressings, pattern labels that never made it to production... The book is simply indispensable if you have even a passing interest in Victor records. Really - a superb job. George P. -Original Message- From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records As Steve said, it is now available. I picked up copies from the printer in Boston last week, and the book is fabulous. Here is the brochure blurb: The Collector's Guide to Victor Records (2nd Edition) by Michael Sherman w/Kurt Nauck 7 x 10, 288 pp with 850 full color illustrations With roots extending all the way back to the birth of the disc recording industry, Victor reigned supreme throughout the 78 rpm era. Herein lies the story of Victor's standard-catalog 78 rpm record label, traced from Berliner (its predecessor) to the demise of the 78 rpm format. All four of Victors standard label colors (Black, Red, Blue Purple) are documented in detail along with all changes made to the Victor label throughout its 60 year run. The second section of the book highlights many of the notable singers, personalities and world leaders who recorded for Victor, leaving a priceless, treasured legacy for future generations. Included are such luminaries as Enrico Caruso, Leopold Stokowski, Will Rogers, Nellie Melba, King George V, Charles Lindbergh, Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Lauder, Adelina Patti, Amos Andy, Robert Peary and dozens of others. The Victor Talking Machine Company (later RCA Victor) produced countless recordings outside their normal domestic catalog issues. The third section features ethnic recordings, imports, picture discs, puzzle records, subsidiary labels such as Bluebird and Zonophone, contract pressings, pattern labels, long-playing Program Transcriptions, vanity issues, childrens records, test pressings, radio transcriptions, demo records, soundtrack discs, client labels, in-house recordings and sample pressings. There's even a page devoted to errors and imitation records! The fourth section includes pictures of record sleeves, company catalogs, supplements and other Victor publications in addition to record release charts, rarity guides and a comprehensive bibliography and index. One would expect a compendium such as this to be dull and lifeless, but Sherman and Nauck's engaging style, attention to detail and brilliant label images make the story come alive. The entire book is profusely illustrated in resplendent full-color, and will be equally at home on the coffee table or the reference shelf. No archive or serious collector should be without it. $39 Softcover or $60 Hardback (Limited Edition of 500, signed numbered) Add $5 for shipping; check, credit card and paypal accepted. You may order from Nauck's Vintage Records, na...@78rpm.com And yes, all the Victor picture records are listed and shown, including one or two you have never seen before! Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records
It is on the front page, or at least was this morning. Darren On 20 nov 2010, at 16.43, Vinyl Visions wrote: I tried to find it on 78rpm.com, but can't find the link. Where did you order yours and how much? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:38:37 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records Be jealous - he's doing a book signing at the GSPS December meeting at the Corbett's. Can't wait. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: gpaul2...@aol.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:55:03 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records I received my copy a few days ago, and it's fabulous. The labels are eye-popping, and there's a ton of information, including a very thorough exploration of Berliner records and the birth of American Zonophone. Picture discs, personality recordings, test pressings, pattern labels that never made it to production... The book is simply indispensable if you have even a passing interest in Victor records. Really - a superb job. George P. -Original Message- From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records As Steve said, it is now available. I picked up copies from the printer in Boston last week, and the book is fabulous. Here is the brochure blurb: The Collector's Guide to Victor Records (2nd Edition) by Michael Sherman w/Kurt Nauck 7 x 10, 288 pp with 850 full color illustrations With roots extending all the way back to the birth of the disc recording industry, Victor reigned supreme throughout the 78 rpm era. Herein lies the story of Victor's standard-catalog 78 rpm record label, traced from Berliner (its predecessor) to the demise of the 78 rpm format. All four of Victors standard label colors (Black, Red, Blue Purple) are documented in detail along with all changes made to the Victor label throughout its 60 year run. The second section of the book highlights many of the notable singers, personalities and world leaders who recorded for Victor, leaving a priceless, treasured legacy for future generations. Included are such luminaries as Enrico Caruso, Leopold Stokowski, Will Rogers, Nellie Melba, King George V, Charles Lindbergh, Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Lauder, Adelina Patti, Amos Andy, Robert Peary and dozens of others. The Victor Talking Machine Company (later RCA Victor) produced countless recordings outside their normal domestic catalog issues. The third section features ethnic recordings, imports, picture discs, puzzle records, subsidiary labels such as Bluebird and Zonophone, contract pressings, pattern labels, long-playing Program Transcriptions, vanity issues, childrens records, test pressings, radio transcriptions, demo records, soundtrack discs, client labels, in-house recordings and sample pressings. There's even a page devoted to errors and imitation records! The fourth section includes pictures of record sleeves, company catalogs, supplements and other Victor publications in addition to record release charts, rarity guides and a comprehensive bibliography and index. One would expect a compendium such as this to be dull and lifeless, but Sherman and Nauck's engaging style, attention to detail and brilliant label images make the story come alive. The entire book is profusely illustrated in resplendent full-color, and will be equally at home on the coffee table or the reference shelf. No archive or serious collector should be without it. $39 Softcover or $60 Hardback (Limited Edition of 500, signed numbered) Add $5 for shipping; check, credit card and paypal accepted. You may order from Nauck's Vintage Records, na...@78rpm.com And yes, all the Victor picture records are listed and shown, including one or two you have never seen before! Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs
I actually found two in the same week! The first was one that a collector friend had. He told me he would sell it, then changed his mind... it had a small bite out of the edge anyway, but I have always wanted that record and never thought I would find one. Needless to say, I was disappointed at not getting it. I just happened to type the title into eBay and voila - a listing for A night at the Biltmore and in perfect condition. Luckily, my bid was the highest, as not many people were watching and bidding - just luck. Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:11:00 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs Wow what a find. the ultimate rarity of records from that era !! One usually does not just pick up that record somewhere how on earth did you find it? - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:13:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Discs All kidding aside, does anyone have any idea how many Victor Picture Discs were made? I recently picked up Paul Whiteman's - A Night At The Biltmore and can't find out much about it. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:09:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Shellac Pictures or Shellac Visions, just didn't have the same appeal... From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:03:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Oh, you discovered my kinky side... vinyl visions is phono related. Vogue records - Victor Picture Discs: vinyl visions From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Heaven help any German San Franciscans. Now Vinyl Visions, on the other hand, is apparently a purveyor of great skintight bondage wear and the like. Forgive me for being insensitive, of course, but don't forget the lube! On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Now I see it's from Germany, which makes more sense, since Germans have a strange way of twisting words, for example: children's candy called Crack Sticks - I wouldn't let my kid come home with anything called crack... :) From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested I apologize for being insensitive, but when I read the domain name for Mr. Opera, I was thinking wtf does that have to do with phonographs? It sounds like a domain from San Francisco... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:08:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested The first one is the main page for his site, the second one tells about how he became interested in phonographs. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:59:45 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Ok. The phonographs.html didn't appear in the first email and I was worried... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:46:36 To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested http://teen-boy-preview.com/html/phonographs.html Hello John, This is actually the address to the Mr Opera phonograph website. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:35:59 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Teenboy-preview.com?? Did you get your email hijacked? John --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] contact info requested Sent: Nov 18, 2010 3:29 PM burdettewalt...@yahoo.com webmas...@misteropera.com http://teen-boy-preview.com/index.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] contact info requested All: I received the following earlier this year to an inquiry: Burdette Walters makes the reproduction boxes and lids for Blue Amberol (orange boxes).
[Phono-L] Edison machine belts
I was wondering if anyone supplies the nice thin cross section leather belt material as found on Edison machines. The modern belt material that I've encountered so far has been comparatively thick and, especially for Standards, a tad wide, it seems. The inside of the belt material is also rather fuzzy and not as smooth grained as the original. Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison machine belts
Hi Ron I use lining leather that I buy at Tandy Leather stores. It is thin, pebble finished on one side and raw on the other. It is available in a dark brown like the old belts too. The only thing I don't like is that it can be a little stretchy, so I make belts slightly shorter, that way there's more tension and the stretchiness doesn't affect the belt. I cut it with a metal straight edge and an exacto knife. The commercial belting is not die cut, and since a cow has curves, the belting is wavy. I have purchased ling pieces of belting where only a very little was usable. Lately I have purchased those new neoprene belts on ebay from Vince Garcia, and I love them. They work great, and there's no gluing necessary, and they look original on the machine. They may not be traditional, but they work! And no thump where the glue joint is. (if you don't make a good enough lap joint). John Robles --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: [Phono-L] Edison machine belts To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:26 AM I was wondering if anyone supplies the nice thin cross section leather belt material as found on Edison machines. The modern belt material that I've encountered so far has been comparatively thick and, especially for Standards, a tad wide, it seems. The inside of the belt material is also rather fuzzy and not as smooth grained as the original. Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison machine belts
If you happen to find an original belt that is still intact you will discover that it is 1 piece, no glued joint. You will also discover that the orientation of the leather grain changes along the length of the belt. They made them by cutting a concentric circle pattern and then stretching and rolling the wet leather to size/thickness. On 11/20/2010 10:45 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Ron I use lining leather that I buy at Tandy Leather stores. It is thin, pebble finished on one side and raw on the other. It is available in a dark brown like the old belts too. The only thing I don't like is that it can be a little stretchy, so I make belts slightly shorter, that way there's more tension and the stretchiness doesn't affect the belt. I cut it with a metal straight edge and an exacto knife. The commercial belting is not die cut, and since a cow has curves, the belting is wavy. I have purchased ling pieces of belting where only a very little was usable. Lately I have purchased those new neoprene belts on ebay from Vince Garcia, and I love them. They work great, and there's no gluing necessary, and they look original on the machine. They may not be traditional, but they work! And no thump where the glue joint is. (if you don't make a good enough lap joint). John Robles --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Ron L'Heraultlhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Heraultlhera...@bu.edu Subject: [Phono-L] Edison machine belts To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:26 AM I was wondering if anyone supplies the nice thin cross section leather belt material as found on Edison machines. The modern belt material that I've encountered so far has been comparatively thick and, especially for Standards, a tad wide, it seems. The inside of the belt material is also rather fuzzy and not as smooth grained as the original. Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records
how do you order from his page? Can't seem to find an order form. -Original Message- From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records It is on the front page, or at least was this morning. Darren On 20 nov 2010, at 16.43, Vinyl Visions wrote: I tried to find it on 78rpm.com, but can't find the link. Where did you order ours and how much? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:38:37 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records Be jealous - he's doing a book signing at the GSPS December meeting at the orbett's. Can't wait. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: gpaul2...@aol.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:55:03 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records I received my copy a few days ago, and it's fabulous. The labels are ye-popping, and there's a ton of information, including a very thorough xploration of Berliner records and the birth of American Zonophone. Picture iscs, personality recordings, test pressings, pattern labels that never made it o production... The book is simply indispensable if you have even a passing nterest in Victor records. Really - a superb job. George P. -Original Message- From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 3:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records As Steve said, it is now available. I picked up copies from the printer in oston last week, and the book is fabulous. Here is the brochure blurb: The Collector's Guide to Victor Records (2nd Edition) by Michael Sherman /Kurt Nauck 7 x 10, 288 pp with 850 full color illustrations With roots extending all the way back to the birth of the disc recording ndustry, Victor reigned supreme throughout the 78 rpm era. Herein lies the tory of Victor's standard-catalog 78 rpm record label, traced from Berliner its predecessor) to the demise of the 78 rpm format. All four of Victors tandard label colors (Black, Red, Blue Purple) are documented in detail along ith all changes made to the Victor label throughout its 60 year run. The second section of the book highlights many of the notable singers, ersonalities and world leaders who recorded for Victor, leaving a priceless, reasured legacy for future generations. Included are such luminaries as Enrico aruso, Leopold Stokowski, Will Rogers, Nellie Melba, King George V, Charles indbergh, Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Lauder, Adelina Patti, Amos Andy, Robert eary and dozens of others. The Victor Talking Machine Company (later RCA Victor) produced countless ecordings outside their normal domestic catalog issues. The third section eatures ethnic recordings, imports, picture discs, puzzle records, subsidiary abels such as Bluebird and Zonophone, contract pressings, pattern labels, ong-playing Program Transcriptions, vanity issues, childrens records, test ressings, radio transcriptions, demo records, soundtrack discs, client labels, n-house recordings and sample pressings. There's even a page devoted to errors nd imitation records! The fourth section includes pictures of record sleeves, company catalogs, upplements and other Victor publications in addition to record release charts, arity guides and a comprehensive bibliography and index. One would expect a ompendium such as this to be dull and lifeless, but Sherman and Nauck's ngaging style, attention to detail and brilliant label images make the story ome alive. The entire book is profusely illustrated in resplendent full-color, nd will be equally at home on the coffee table or the reference shelf. No rchive or serious collector should be without it. $39 Softcover or $60 Hardback (Limited Edition of 500, signed numbered) Add $5 for shipping; check, credit card and paypal accepted. You may order from Nauck's Vintage Records, na...@78rpm.com And yes, all the Victor picture records are listed and shown, including one r two you have never seen before! Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list
Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records
Thank you. I thought it was just me! I sent an email directly to Kurt asking how to order. Haven't heard back yet. Perhaps he can just post directly to here. Glenn From: phonofo...@aol.com phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 7:18:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records how do you order from his page? Can't seem to find an order form. -Original Message- From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records It is on the front page, or at least was this morning. Darren On 20 nov 2010, at 16.43, Vinyl Visions wrote: ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] How to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records
It easy, to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records, Just go to www.PayPal.com and send money to na...@78rpm.com This is Kurt's business account. Fill in the message field stating you want to buy the hard cover or soft cover version of the book and add the $5.00 freight charge. Jack Whelan www.PhonoJack.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] How to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records
Thanks for the info. I linked your website to the Carolina Antique Music Phonograph Society Facebook page. From: jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:15:49 + Subject: [Phono-L] How to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records It easy, to order the Collector's Guide to Victor Records, Just go to www.PayPal.com and send money to na...@78rpm.com This is Kurt's business account. Fill in the message field stating you want to buy the hard cover or soft cover version of the book and add the $5.00 freight charge. Jack Whelan www.PhonoJack.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Really Vinyl?
I also believe that RCA's pre-grooved discs were purely vinyl. I bought a box of new ones a few years ago, and tried to make a recording off of the sir on the RCA 381 phono combo I have. The result was, that there was a recording on the disc (using the proper styli, of course), but since the disc was hardened from age. I had to drive the slats out of that pichup head to get a signal on the disc. The only way to get a decent disc recording would be to get some freshly lacquered blank discs, or get one of the old disc recorders and cut a master on the big wax cake, and ...let's not be silly. I have several blank discs. I've tried to cut a new recording on one, but the groove is so screechy, it's ridiculous to even try, and that's on a Presto K-8! Anyway, the stories tell that, since shellac had been a critical material during WW II, Victor and a few others began to resort to vinyl as a substitute. Vinyl is cheaper that shellac. and made quiter surfaces, so RCA pressed quite a few of their classical records on transparent red vinyl, and called them Red Seal Deluxe and charged double the price of the sheelac discs. It wasn't long after that that Dr. Goldmark (CBS) launched his LP discs. [Original Message] From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/20/2010 12:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Really Vinyl? Actually, the Victor Home Recordings discs are straight up modern vinyl in every perceivable way -- exactly as flexible and plasticky as today's records. And those were what, 1929? Vitrolac, MGM's Metrolite, and other branded fomulations were part vinyl, part shellac-type something-or-other, and were certainly more flexible (less breakable) than shellac discs, but they were still more like shellac than pure vinyl. Meanwhile, the V-Discs from WWII (many of them but not all) were fully PVC like modern records. Vinyl didn't become common until the LP in 1949 as far as I remember. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:52:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Really Vinyl? I was surprised a few years ago to see that RCA used Vinyl on their LP discs of the early thirties. In many places, the material for those Program Transcriptions was identified as Victrolite whatever that was supposed to have been. But, I have the RCA Victor dealer fact book from 1932, where the Long Playing records were anounced, and they said that the discs were made of Vinylite. It's really interesting how vinyl plastics ahve been around, in one form or another. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
Hi As I recall, this is the Pathe No.1, known in England as the New Perfecta. This was the first foreign machine I owned, purchased from Tim Fabrizio in the mid 1980s. I still have the letter from him describing it! He was and is a great resource. I love how it stores upside down in the cabinet. The other cool thing about it is that it, as many phonos from continental Europe are, is made of walnut. Pathe were obviously close copies of Columbia machines, and well done. They began marketing cylinder machines and records around 1894 or 1895. I am not sure about the machines, but their cylinders were phased out around 1909 or so, when they went heavy into the disc business. This folding horn suspension system is unique to Pathe machines, along with the other suspension system made of bent wire, basically, and called the Verite system. This one, consisting of a folding support bar between two folding arms, was called the Orpheus, if I recall. Tim? Very nice machine. John Robles --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 7:10 PM I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Cylinder Machine
Looks like my Pathe Coq phono. Very cool machine. -Barry On 11/20/2010 10:10 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I bought this machine two years ago and just wondered if anyone knows what model it is and timeframe of manufacture. It plays both standard size and salon size cylinders. It is in fabulous condition, the picture makes it look like it has a square spot on the front. That is the original decal and the finish is almost perfect. I bought it because of the unusual horn carriage and the fact that the works flip over and store inside the box, which then looks like a jewelry box with a brass handle on top. Here is the picture: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170190476338923saved#!/photo.php?fbid=130673463639224set=a.130672523639318.12387.130658956974008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
