Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > Hi Rick, > I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I > don't > trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no > point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... > so, > not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, > I'm > not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that > question. Just another thought for what it's worth... > >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> From: phonofo...@aol.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> >> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always >> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask >> " >> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to >> me >> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. >> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id >> plate?" >> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt >> questio >> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then >> elaborate >> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point >> before >> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: bruce78rpm >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> >> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con >> artists >> who now >> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be >> discouraged >> from >> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will >> continue to >> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 >> times >> as many >> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. >> - Original Message - >> rom: "William Zucca" >> o: "Antique Phonograph List" >> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM >> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time >> they >> ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, >> first-time >> raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the >> hell >> s going on with these messages. >> Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire >> about >> an >> tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone >> number >> hen inquiring about a sale. >> These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make >> raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. >> GrnMountainBill >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, wrote: >> > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost >> > immediately I >> was contacted by two crooks/scammers. >> >> Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a >> certain % >> of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists >> would >> not be trying it. >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you >> will >> receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is >> already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving >> over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side >> due payments. >> >> So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand >> that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your >> location after you might
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? > From: g...@usfamily.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks > if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any > of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates > they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they > are asking about. > > -- Greg > > > - Original Message - > From: "Vinyl Visions" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > > > > Hi Rick, > > I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't > > trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no > > point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, > > not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm > > not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that > > question. Just another thought for what it's worth... > > > >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > >> From: phonofo...@aol.com > >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> > >> > >> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always > >> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " > >> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me > >> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. > >> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" > >> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio > >> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate > >> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before > >> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: bruce78rpm > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > >> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> > >> > >> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists > >> who now > >> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged > >> from > >> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will > >> continue to > >> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times > >> as many > >> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. > >> - Original Message - > >> rom: "William Zucca" > >> o: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM > >> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time > >> they > >> ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time > >> raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the > >> hell > >> s going on with these messages. > >> Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about > >> an > >> tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number > >> hen inquiring about a sale. > >> These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make > >> raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. > >> GrnMountainBill > >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, wrote: > >> > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost > >> > immediately I > >> was contacted by two crooks/scammers. > >> > >> Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a > >> certain % > >> of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists > >> would > >> not be trying it. > >> > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will > >> receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is > >> already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving > >> over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side > >> due payments. > >> > >> So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand > >> that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your > >> location after you might have received the check. > >> > >> In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to > >> deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office > >> or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address > >> and phone# as it will be written on the check. K
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Curt, What a wonderful site, you were so very correct. Steve > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:40:14 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall > > > Steve, > There is a song about our current economy - "Nertz" by Eddie Cantor - you can > hear it on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com - on the main page click > on the link to vintage recordings - it's great and very "current". > Curt > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. - Original Message - rom: "William Zucca" o: "Antique Phonograph List" ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell s going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number hen inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, wrote: > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost > immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side due payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your location after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once done. Regards ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Can't see to find the site to update my personal information for Phono-L email list....
http://www.oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l Is this what you are looking for? Steve > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: ami2ph...@aol.com > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:35:54 -0400 > Subject: [Phono-L] Can't see to find the site to update my personal > information for Phono-L email list > > Hello. > > I have tried to access the oldcrank.org website to update my personal > information and email address but I can not find the correct link to > the site to do so. Please respond to me with a link on where I can > update my information so I can continue to recieve Phono-L. My new > email address is onatorr...@yahoo.com. > > THanks so much in advance, > Kenneth Keeton > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Can't see to find the site to update my personal information for Phono-L email list....
Hello. I have tried to access the oldcrank.org website to update my personal information and email address but I can not find the correct link to the site to do so. Please respond to me with a link on where I can update my information so I can continue to recieve Phono-L. My new email address is onatorr...@yahoo.com. THanks so much in advance, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Steve, There is a song about our current economy - "Nertz" by Eddie Cantor - you can hear it on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com - on the main page click on the link to vintage recordings - it's great and very "current". Curt > From: steve_nor...@msn.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:34:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall > > > Hello Jack, > > Amazing how some things never change. Today's Hunmpty Dumpty appears to be > the economy, too bad Billy Murray is not around to sing an updated Humpty > Dumpty song. > > Steve > > > > > Hey Steve, > > Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood > > Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in > > the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month > > battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, > > constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the > > monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term > > Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many > > lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the > > serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and > > economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred > > years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the > > real story. > > By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up > > the hill. > > Jack > > > HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, & H. von Tilzer > > > as sung by Billy Murray & Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon > > > a wall. > > > But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. > > > My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. > > > The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. > > > Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. > > > Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. > > > A girl was passing by. > > > Her skirt was rather high. > > > She kept on going, never knowing-- > > > Glory! How the wind was blowing! > > > Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. > > > If you're a man, you know the reason why. > > > She said, "Would you please tie my shoe?" > > > Of course, 'twas just a stall. > > > But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. > > > > > > Humpty Dumpty lived in the time > > > Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. > > > Hi diddle diddle > > > The profiteers fiddle > > > We all have to dance to their tune. > > > Prices leap to the sky > > > Meat was never so high > > > Since the cow jumped over the moon! > > > > > > You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. > > > He said, "He went completely broke, because he was an egg". > > > She looked so swell > > > That Humpty fell > > > And his poor life was spoiled; > > > But don't forget, > > > He'd be here yet > > > If he had been hard-boiled! > > > Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. > > > Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. > > > The girlie passed him by; > > > She winked her pretty eye. > > > He saw the clocking on her stocking-- > > > "Glory my!" he said, "How shocking!" > > > Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked > > > and looked and looked and looked > > > And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. > > > He was weak and took a peek > > > But if you had his view, > > > I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. > > > > > > Hickory dickory doc, > > > The mouse found a flask in the clock. > > > Two drinks of that stuff > > > Made the mouse feel so tough > > > That he chased all the cats on the block! > > > > > > London Bridge is falling down > > > All around the mulberry bush > > > Jack and Jill > > > Went up the hill > > > For all I know, they're up there still. > > > (?) Down among the wildflowers. > > > All the king's horses and all the king's men > > > Who saw poor Humpty fall > > > Could never put him back upon the wall. > > > > > > > From: cdh...@earthlink.net > > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective > > > > > > > > Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with > > > > the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot > > > > of > > > > good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master > > > > book > > > > is in another room. > > > > > > > > It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the > > > > unfortunate > > > > egg. > > > > > > > > Original Message: > > > > - > > > > From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 > > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Hi Rick, I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: phonofo...@aol.com > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised > a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the > vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very > intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character > after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" My point is the sincere > inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms > foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists > want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just > my thougts. > > > > -Original Message- > From: bruce78rpm > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who > now > ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged > from > sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue > to > ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as > many > s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. > - Original Message - > rom: "William Zucca" > o: "Antique Phonograph List" > ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM > ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they > ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time > raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell > s going on with these messages. > Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an > tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number > hen inquiring about a sale. > These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make > raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. > GrnMountainBill > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, wrote: > > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I > was contacted by two crooks/scammers. > > Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % > of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would > not be trying it. > > > Hello, > > I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will > receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is > already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving > over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side > due payments. > > So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand > that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your > location after you might have received the check. > > In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to > deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office > or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address > and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item > removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once > done. > > Regards > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > __ > hono-L mailing list > ttp://phono-l.org > __ > hono-L mailing list > ttp://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
