Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay???
It's a story all right. The bracket and elbow are obviously Crapophone parts form India. And knowing India's huge brass industry, I'd guess the whole thing was made there. I knew Charlie Haines and went to his shop every week for the two years I lived in Philadelphia. I wonder when he got it. It says he sold it in 1996. I returned to California in 1992 so he must have gotten it after I left. Nice story but not worth $5500. John Robles From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270936395641ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_969 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
She did research it by reading my article and then consulting with me. I didn't involve myself, she asked me and I told her. I am the type of person who likes to help others where I can, and if I see someone about to make a big and costly mistake I try to guide them. John From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Sorry about the possible blank email. I take a different approach and perhaps thought to be mean spirited by some. If someone wishes to spend $900.00 on a crap o phone I don't involve myself. It is a learning device. If educating yourself is less important than a $900.00 bid why would I purpose the money means as much to them as it does to me? An hour or so on the internet would sort it all out or waste $900 bucks. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
I didn't, but maybe I should have said that collectors refer to those things as Crapophones! From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay???
So the part about Haines is true but the other: And so the story goes, an Earl from Austria commissioned a local metal artisan in the early 1930’s to create a brass phonograph. Fashioning his design out of brass from a table top model of the period, parts from existing phonographs were used to make it operational., is obviously a total load of concocted BALONEY !!! Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:50:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? It's a story all right. The bracket and elbow are obviously Crapophone parts form India. And knowing India's huge brass industry, I'd guess the whole thing was made there. I knew Charlie Haines and went to his shop every week for the two years I lived in Philadelphia. I wonder when he got it. It says he sold it in 1996. I returned to California in 1992 so he must have gotten it after I left. Nice story but not worth $5500. John Robles From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270936395641ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_969 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay???
If the motor turns smoothly and the parts fit well, it probably sounds quite nice. That looks like a Columbia Vivatonal reproducer. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:51 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? It's a story all right. The bracket and elbow are obviously Crapophone parts form India. And knowing India's huge brass industry, I'd guess the whole thing was made there. I knew Charlie Haines and went to his shop every week for the two years I lived in Philadelphia. I wonder when he got it. It says he sold it in 1996. I returned to California in 1992 so he must have gotten it after I left. Nice story but not worth $5500. John Robles From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270936395641ssPageName=A DME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_969 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed
hi all check on ebay for ladanjus i believe he bought out alot of the smiths parts and may have some if you email him -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:50 am Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed I'm helping someone to find parts for a Columbia AH second style. I have an riginal reproducer that I can put a repro needle bar on (unless someone has n original laying around) and he may have found the crank but he still eeds the horn support parts, i.e., the curved arm that attaches to the ase, the long straight arm (tone arm?) that pivots off the curved arm and hat holds the reproducer, and last but not least the curved part that holds he horn. Original parts are desired but he will use repros if the riginals are made of unobtanium. I've already been in communication with he always helpful George V. Thanks, Ron L ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
Yes, the zoom change is quite annoying. You can contact the seller to ask for the pictures. I have done this in the past and is a way of verifying that it isn't a fraudulent listing. I always ask for a specific picture or two that aren't on the listing. If the seller replies with It is already boxed or another lame excuse, I don't even bother bidding. If I get the exact pictures requested then I can be pretty sure that they actually have the item. If you click on the large picture while it is zoom mode, it will open up the old larger format. Good luck This is a great machine. Ken Brekke -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:28 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
Al, Not a very good answer but try clicking on the box or page and hit Ctrl/+. Ctrl/- will shrink it back.. Not a computer guy so I don't know if it depends on your browser. Oldcranky On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed
The AH 2nd style came with an analyzing Reproducer and a 22 black brass horn, however they have been found supplied with the defunct Talk-O-Phone Co. reproducers (the reference to Talk-0-Phone removed), as well as Talk-O-Phone black and brass horn and connecting metal elbow. They look and sound just fine with these substituted items. Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:43:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed hi all check on ebay for ladanjus i believe he bought out alot of the smiths parts and may have some if you email him -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:50 am Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed I'm helping someone to find parts for a Columbia AH second style. I have an riginal reproducer that I can put a repro needle bar on (unless someone has n original laying around) and he may have found the crank but he still eeds the horn support parts, i.e., the curved arm that attaches to the ase, the long straight arm (tone arm?) that pivots off the curved arm and hat holds the reproducer, and last but not least the curved part that holds he horn. Original parts are desired but he will use repros if the riginals are made of unobtanium. I've already been in communication with he always helpful George V. Thanks, Ron L ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
If you are using FireFox the image may be saved after double clicking in the magnifier. Then each individual image may be saved. On 03/21/2012 05:08 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: Al, Not a very good answer but try clicking on the box or page and hit Ctrl/+. Ctrl/- will shrink it back.. Not a computer guy so I don't know if it depends on your browser. Oldcranky On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM,clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AMET photos full screen?
Thanks everyone, I have tried three different browsers. The full screen image still does not come through. A larger image does appear on Firefox but it is still only one quarter size. I'd like the full screen jpg ! ! ! I will give George Glastis a call this evening and let him talk me thourgh it. I have been in contact with the Amet seller who is very surprised at how the auction is going. The seller asked me to provide some information on the Amet which I have done. My Amet is in the Edison Cylinder Phonographs books. It will be interesting to see how much this one goes for. It has the first Amet motor and not the later (2 years) Peerless motor. Note the serial number of 90081 on the Class M topworks... odd, isn't it? Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AMET photos full screen?
Save the large image with FF. It will save the full image but you will only see the eBay scaled image. If you select view image info it will list what the original upload size is and what it is visually scaled to. Once downloaded you will have the full size of whatever the seller uploaded. On 03/21/2012 08:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Thanks everyone, I have tried three different browsers. The full screen image still does not come through. A larger image does appear on Firefox but it is still only one quarter size. I'd like the full screen jpg ! ! ! I will give George Glastis a call this evening and let him talk me thourgh it. I have been in contact with the Amet seller who is very surprised at how the auction is going. The seller asked me to provide some information on the Amet which I have done. My Amet is in the Edison Cylinder Phonographs books. It will be interesting to see how much this one goes for. It has the first Amet motor and not the later (2 years) Peerless motor. Note the serial number of 90081 on the Class M topworks... odd, isn't it? Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
Hi Mike,I just tried saving a pic from eBay that had the zoom thing. I right clicked and did save image as and it saved the full size pic, not the zoomed in portion. It appears that it is going to save the zoomed portion, but actually saves the actual image. I was using the current Internet Explorer and it saved as a jpeg with a weird name, but you can change the name to anything before you save it. Hope this helps.Curt Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:08:54 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos Al, Not a very good answer but try clicking on the box or page and hit Ctrl/+. Ctrl/- will shrink it back.. Not a computer guy so I don't know if it depends on your browser. Oldcranky On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
I just looked at the Amet machine. Just click the picture when the zoom appears and it will give you an enlarged version. Right click on that image an select save image as and it will save to the directory of your choice. Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:08:54 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos Al, Not a very good answer but try clicking on the box or page and hit Ctrl/+. Ctrl/- will shrink it back.. Not a computer guy so I don't know if it depends on your browser. Oldcranky On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Another eBay monster.
According to the seller this is purportedly a red gem. I beg to differ. It's a model G for one thing. And the paint and striping job are horrible! Perhaps the seller can be pardoned as he doesn't seem to sell a lot of phonographs, it's mainly radio tubes. Here's the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320872892193 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Gem
Is anyone interested in a true rarity? a Model B Gem masquerading as a Model D maroon Gem - just go to eBay 320872892193. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
