Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
Hi again John: Yes, you are correct, the dome will be very stiff and not be pliant at all. This means all of the flexure has to be on the metal between the dome and the outside diameter. Auto makers use curves to stiffen the bodies in the same manner as this dome diaphragm. I tend not to believe this reproducer was for a coin operated machine. I cannot recall seeing one that when modified was not then nickel plated to look all original. The marks of an amateur on this reproducer are the lack of fine craftsmanship on the weight hinge and hinge block, the glue on the limit pin socket, etc... Best wishes to all, Al -Original Message- From: john robles To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Thanks Al. As to the stiffness of the diaphragm, it is actually extremely thin, however I could see that the domed area wold be stiffer due to its shape, correct? I am very tempted to replace it with an Edison diaphragm. The spring has a very light resistance, I wouldn't say it produces any more pressure than the full weight would had it not been docked. I've played indestructibles with it, and one wax cylinder, the "Angels Serenade" harp solo by Charles Scheutze. That's the one that creates the blast. But maybe I better stop using it - speaking of important cylinders, it is one of the first 6 cylinders I ever owned, going back 28 years or so. I still have 4 of the 6, all in mint condition. I got them at my first CAPS show back when it was still at Griswold's Hotel in Fullerton. Anyone remember that? A small conference room, no air conditioning..by afternoon it was like a sweatbox in there. John Robles From: "clockworkh...@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Greetings John: >From everything I see, the reproducer screams 'Someone's Kitchen Table Experiment'. I have seen similar experiments to 'improve' an Edison reproducer and have a couple in my collection. In the mind of this guy who made your example, the weight was able to move so the force on the record by the stylus was inconsistent thus trimming the weight and adding a spring to give constant downward stylus force was the idea. Those people who have seen the Lyric type reproducer with its spring system and figured that Edison reproducers might be modified to use the same principle are the culprits. The most tragic form of this idea I have seen was on a Model L Reproducer and it didn't work for that one either. The booming peak resonant frequency is likely due to the weight added to the stylus bar versus the return force exerted by the aluminum diaphragm which may be way too stiff. That's my theory on the peak responses you are getting. You may also have found the resonance of the spring and the trimmed weight suspension. It is hard to tell without having the reproducer at hand to examine and run tests on. I would not play any valuable wax records with it ! ! ! Regards to all on the list, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
The spring looks like a musical instrument's "spit valve" (water key). And the hinge end is not evenly cut from what I see in the picture. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:31 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer That was the first thing I thought. But the cut away is not nickel plated. Down where the spring is, I took off the weight and two slots are finely engraved in the back of the weight, and that is where the tails of the springs nest. Well done. More pics will be up soon. John From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op. I have seen weights made of aluminum with springs like that. In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison continued to make them into the 1920's. Are the ground away areas nickel plated? > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
Thanks Al. As to the stiffness of the diaphragm, it is actually extremely thin, however I could see that the domed area wold be stiffer due to its shape, correct? I am very tempted to replace it with an Edison diaphragm. The spring has a very light resistance, I wouldn't say it produces any more pressure than the full weight would had it not been docked. I've played indestructibles with it, and one wax cylinder, the "Angels Serenade" harp solo by Charles Scheutze. That's the one that creates the blast. But maybe I better stop using it - speaking of important cylinders, it is one of the first 6 cylinders I ever owned, going back 28 years or so. I still have 4 of the 6, all in mint condition. I got them at my first CAPS show back when it was still at Griswold's Hotel in Fullerton. Anyone remember that? A small conference room, no air conditioning..by afternoon it was like a sweatbox in there. John Robles From: "clockworkh...@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Greetings John: >From everything I see, the reproducer screams 'Someone's Kitchen Table >Experiment'. I have seen similar experiments to 'improve' an Edison >reproducer and have a couple in my collection. In the mind of this guy who >made your example, the weight was able to move so the force on the record by >the stylus was inconsistent thus trimming the weight and adding a spring to >give constant downward stylus force was the idea. Those people who have seen >the Lyric type reproducer with its spring system and figured that Edison >reproducers might be modified to use the same principle are the culprits. The >most tragic form of this idea I have seen was on a Model L Reproducer and it >didn't work for that one either. The booming peak resonant frequency is likely due to the weight added to the stylus bar versus the return force exerted by the aluminum diaphragm which may be way too stiff. That's my theory on the peak responses you are getting. You may also have found the resonance of the spring and the trimmed weight suspension. It is hard to tell without having the reproducer at hand to examine and run tests on. I would not play any valuable wax records with it ! ! ! Regards to all on the list, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
Funny, that's the feeling I had when I saw it, and I'm not that familiar with coin op machines... On Sep 16, 2013, at 5:25 PM, "DanKj" wrote: > I keep thinking this is from a coin-operated machine just a feeling I > have > > > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum > diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later > years. > > > > > > From: Steven Medved > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > 1904 I would guess. > >> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 >> From: john9...@pacbell.net >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer >> >> It is 415944. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Steven Medved >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer >> >> >> What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it >> should be above 390,000. >> >> > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 >> > From: john9...@pacbell.net >> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer >> > >> > Hello all >> > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top > >> > with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it > >> > appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also > >> > been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the > >> > docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it > >> > has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? >> > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > >> > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! >> > >> > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. >> > >> > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer >> > >> > John Robles >> > ___ >> > Phono-L mailing list >> > http://phono-l.org >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
Greetings John: >From everything I see, the reproducer screams 'Someone's Kitchen Table >Experiment'. I have seen similar experiments to 'improve' an Edison >reproducer and have a couple in my collection. In the mind of this guy who >made your example, the weight was able to move so the force on the record by >the stylus was inconsistent thus trimming the weight and adding a spring to >give constant downward stylus force was the idea. Those people who have seen >the Lyric type reproducer with its spring system and figured that Edison >reproducers might be modified to use the same principle are the culprits. The >most tragic form of this idea I have seen was on a Model L Reproducer and it >didn't work for that one either. The booming peak resonant frequency is likely due to the weight added to the stylus bar versus the return force exerted by the aluminum diaphragm which may be way too stiff. That's my theory on the peak responses you are getting. You may also have found the resonance of the spring and the trimmed weight suspension. It is hard to tell without having the reproducer at hand to examine and run tests on. I would not play any valuable wax records with it ! ! ! Regards to all on the list, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
oops, never mind - NOW I see Steve's message about the same thing! - Original Message - From: me I keep thinking this is from a coin-operated machine just a feeling I have ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
I keep thinking this is from a coin-operated machine just a feeling I have - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later years. From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer 1904 I would guess. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It is 415944. From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it should be above 390,000. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top > with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it > appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also > been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the > docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it > has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
It looks like a cut down Max Wurcker diaphragm. The two I told you about came from Oz, there was only the weights and the springs. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:55:55 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum > diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later > years. > > > > > > From: Steven Medved > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > 1904 I would guess. > > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > > It is 415944. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Steven Medved > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > > > > What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it > > should be above 390,000. > > > > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > > > > Hello all > > > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top > > > with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it > > > appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also > > > been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the > > > docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it > > > has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > > > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > > > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > > > > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > > > > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > > > > > John Robles > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later years. From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer 1904 I would guess. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > It is 415944. > > > > > > From: Steven Medved > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it > should be above 390,000. > > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > > Hello all > > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top > > with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears > > to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been > > skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked > > tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump > > in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > > > John Robles > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
1904 I would guess. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > It is 415944. > > > > > > From: Steven Medved > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it > should be above 390,000. > > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > > > Hello all > > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top > > with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears > > to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been > > skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked > > tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump > > in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > > > John Robles > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
It is 415944. From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it should be above 390,000. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with > a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to > contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully > modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The > diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle > where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it should be above 390,000. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with > a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to > contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully > modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The > diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle > where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] More photos of odd reproducer interior
I've added more photos of the interior and the diaphragm of the reproducer. Note the aluminum diaphragm! Also, when I took it apart, the old gaskets were hard and flaked away, apparently this is not a modern reworking of this reproducer, but was done many years ago. The paper gaskets were in place too. Note the grooves cut in the back of the weight to accept the tails of the springs. This is a rather advanced job. John Robles http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op. I have seen weights made of aluminum with springs like that. In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison continued to make them into the 1920's. Are the ground away areas nickel plated? > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with > a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to > contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully > modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The > diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle > where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
The only thing that bugs me is that it has quite a blast on certain frequencies. Not many, but a few. I played a harp record, and one note in the bass caused it to blast. I thought the rebuilding would help, but no dice. John From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op. I have seen weights made of aluminum with springs like that. In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison continued to make them into the 1920's. Are the ground away areas nickel plated? > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with > a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to > contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully > modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The > diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle > where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] A few machines for sale
Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. Time for a bit of fall cleaning. The following machines are available and priced to sell: Victor VI w/mahogany horn, $4900; Zonophone w/oval front panel with flowered horn, $2100; Berliner Trademark, $3200, Victor Borgia I Orthophonic Victrola and radio combo, $1200. You can reply to phonowo...@hotmail.com for more info and pictures. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
That was the first thing I thought. But the cut away is not nickel plated. Down where the spring is, I took off the weight and two slots are finely engraved in the back of the weight, and that is where the tails of the springs nest. Well done. More pics will be up soon. John From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op. I have seen weights made of aluminum with springs like that. In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison continued to make them into the 1920's. Are the ground away areas nickel plated? > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with > a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to > contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully > modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The > diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle > where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op. I have seen weights made of aluminum with springs like that. In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison continued to make them into the 1920's. Are the ground away areas nickel plated? > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer > > Hello all > How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with > a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to > contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully > modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The > diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle > where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? > Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. > Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! > > Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Looking for Edison model B reproducer
Hello Everyone, I am looking to purchase an Edison model B reproducer in good working shape. From what I have heard, it has a ball stylus and a lighter weight than a model C reproducer, and is therefore much easier on brown wax than a C, for both reasons. I do lots of test recordings and playback on brown wax. Anyone out there who might have one for sale, let me know. Thanks! Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
Hello all How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas? Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope! Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later. http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
