Thank You very much for taking the time to write all this information I have
printed it out and stuck it with my Frow book .Earl
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From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:37:55
To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers
Steve,
When will you write a book? I'd buy one.
Dave
--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:
From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 10:31 AM
A Model G triumph with a mahogany case and horn sold for $8777 on eBay and it
looked nice.
The wooden horn came out around August 1910 and was available as an option from
then on. According to the Frow book the Model F and G triumph came with the
wooden horn but since Edison is the king of variety I am certain there were
exceptions. I am not certain how accurate the Phonograph section of the Frow
book is but the reproducer and recorder section if full of errors and
omissions, mostly omission in the recorder section. Because of the Frow book
the 2 minute sapphire Model B is the most misunderstood reproducer Edison
made. He got the Model N reproducer backwards and does not mention the trowel
N reproducer not to be confused with the N-56. When a reproducer was made and
when it was put on a phonograph and when the phonograph was stamped with a
serial number were not all the same in all cases. At least one suitcase
standard in the 42,000 range was stamped with a serial number after Feburary
1902 and sent to Canada to be sold with an
automatic reproducer made in the
middle of 1901. This suitcase model does not have the serial numer raised
lug and the serial number is stamped on the nickel ID plate. An one suticase
standard in the 26000 range has he later brass ID plate. You see Model B homes
with decals and the 2/4 minute upgrades, you see standard D's with the pin
striping and an ID plate that does not say combination, you see Model D
standards with the combination ID plate, the home C is found with pinstriping
and decals. You see the maroon gem with the GEM decal on the machine. You see
triumphs with the raised panel not paralles to the base. You see Edison
phonographs with incorrect serial numbers. Home E 994618 is an example of this
the home E is found in the 400,000 range and not that many homes were
made. Also at the end of production runs earlier parts show up which is why
you find the earlier B weights later on. The drilled B weight is found in both
stamped and unstamped
versions. The Frow book says it is not clear
why the B was made and there was never an adjusting arm. The B was armed up
until at least 30,000 and from 40,000 to 110,000 the word reproducer is not on
the B as the top that was made for the arm was used as the reproducer stamped
top came out around 110,000. The armed B is seldom found after 40,000 but they
were made for use on the Edison Bell Duplex and the concert phonograph. If the
B was never armed it would not have been produced before 110,000. It is easy to
see why Frow did not understand the B as in England it mainly appeared on the
Gem, but look at the Standard E which was only available here and he got that
one correct. From 1 to around 17,000 the B has the arm and no notch. There
are two types of tops found. Up until the mid 6500 range the B top has thin
plating with machine marks visible. From 17,000 to 30,000 the B retained its
arm with the notch added. From 40,000 to 110,000 the B top does not have the
word reproducer
and two different tops are found
with the width of the flat around the sound tube and the outside dome varies
and the weight is stamped B. Around 110,000 the weight was drilled and tapped
to accomodate an extra lead weight. From around 150,000 on the B was given a
2.2 ounce lead or lead alloy weight. The first B has a 1.2 ounce weight and
the C weight varies from 1.2 to 1.3 ounces. It took the 2.2 ounce weight to
have the volume the hanging weight does. The automatic is another reproducer
that is greatly left out. The period of time from 1900 to 1902 is largely
omitted as is the period after the fire. The recorder section is even worse.
2 and 4 minute recorders were made after the fire as was the CHK. The diamond
B was made into 1926 at least and the last diamond C used the same casting as
the Diamond D. In the summer of 1901 the early B replaced the automatic and up
to serial number 30,000 at least it was used on all Edison machines. The B got
its notch for the
centering pin in the 17,000 range.
The B C and D all had blank weights at first. The C joined in around
25,000, the D around 30,000. The arm appeared on the
