[Phono-L] BF Columbia cylinder phonograph for sale
Hi, This is collector Ron Cowen from Silver Spring, MD. I'm selling a very good condition Columbia BF, with good decals, lid, reproducer, no horn for $675. The BF has the long mandrel that plays the longer Columbia cylinder records the company manufactured for a short time. Serial number 32652 Contact me off list at ronco...@msn.com for pictures, if interested. --Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released
and here is NYT story on the findings http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/bismarcks-voice-among-restored-edison-recordings.html On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:03 PM, DanKj wrote: - Original Message - From: gerald_fab...@nps.gov To: theresa_j...@nps.gov Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: [phonolist] Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released Thomas Edison NHP News Release For Release: Monday January 30, 2012 Contact: Jerry Fabris Phone: 973-736-0550 x48 Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released WEST ORANGE, NJ – Today the National Park Service announces the first-time release of 12 historic sound recordings made by Thomas Edison’s recording engineer Theo Wangemann on wax cylinders during 1889-1890 in Germany, Austria, Prussia, and France. The recordings include the voices of eminent German historical figures Otto von Bismarck and Helmuth von Moltke, and several performances by important musicians of the period. The sounds are available on-line in MP3-format at: http://www.nps.gov/edis/photosmultimedia/theo-wangemann-1889-1890-european-recordings.ht m. On Saturday, February 4, 2012 at 12:00 noon, historian Patrick Feaster, will present a one-hour program about the recordings, titled Theo Wangemann: The Man Who Made the Phonograph Musical. This presentation will explore the life and career of Theo Wangemann, who was arguably the world’s first professional recording engineer. Also at the program, collector Stuart H. Miller, M.D. will exhibit the phonograph used by Wangemann in Europe during 1889-1890. The program will be held in the Laboratory Complex at Thomas Edison National Historical Park, 211 Main Street. The entrance fee to the park is $7.00, children under 16 are free. Seating is limited and reservations are required. Reservations can be made by calling 973-736-0550, ext. 89. Museum Curators first cataloged the damaged wooden box containing the wax cylinders in 1957, found in the library of the Edison Laboratory. In 2005, the National Park Service completed a multi-year project to individually catalog every historic sound recording in the museum collection. Curators noted that the box contained 17 brown wax cylinders in fair and poor condition, several broken with large pieces missing. No title list or other identification survived in the box with the recordings, so the recordings could not be identified until they were heard. In 2011, the park's Curator of Sound Recordings digitized 12 of Wangemann's 17 cylinders using a French-made Archeophone cylinder playback machine, saving the audio as Broadcast Wave Format files. (Five of the cylinders could not be digitized due to their condition.) Once the audio could be heard, historians Stephan Puille and Patrick Feaster identified the sounds and wrote two scholarly essays, which are included with the recordings on the Thomas Edison National Historical Park website. Entrusted by Thomas Edison with the task of applying the newly developed wax cylinder phonograph to music, Theo Wangemann oversaw the first regular production of pre-recorded cylinders at the Edison Laboratory in West Orange, New Jersey in 1888-89, ushering in the beginnings of the American musical recording industry. Then, in 1889-90, Wangemann played a prominent role in introducing Edison’s invention to continental Europe. --- Stephan Puille is a conservator of archaeological finds and technical employee at the Hochschule für Technik und Wirtschaft Berlin (HTW Berlin) - University of Applied Sciences. For more than ten years he studies the history of sound recording from the beginning up to 1914, holds lectures and writes articles on the subject. In addition, he is a phonograph and phonogram collector who concentrates on early and historically significant items. Contact: Stephan Puille, Hochschule für Technik und Wirtschaft Berlin, Wilhelminenhofstraße 75A, 12459 Berlin, Germany. E-mail: stephan.pui...@htw-berlin.de Patrick Feaster (pfeas...@gmail.com, 812-331-0047) is a researcher and educator specializing in the history and culture of sound media. A co-founder of FirstSounds.org and two-time Grammy nominee, he received his doctorate in Folklore and Ethnomusicology in 2007 from Indiana University Bloomington, where he is currently a lecturer in the Department of Communication and Culture, a member of the Media Preservation Initiative, and an instructor for the School of Continuing Studies. Thomas Edison National Historical Park is a National Park Service site dedicated to promoting an international understanding and appreciation of the life and extraordinary achievements of Thomas Alva Edison by preserving, protecting, and
[Phono-L] Voice of Otto von Bismarck and others--NY Times article on Edison records from 1889
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[Phono-L] Voice of Otto von Bismarck--NYTimes article on Edison records from 1889
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[Phono-L] text of profile of sound historian Patrick Feaster from the Jan. 20 Science
Science 20 January 2012: Vol. 335 no. 6066 pp. 278-280 DOI: 10.1126/science.335.6066.278 NEWS FOCUS Archaeologist of Sound Ron Cowen* With near-obsessive determination, audio historian Patrick Feaster has been tracking down remnants of long-vanished voices and noises—and in some cases resurrecting them against the odds. View larger version: In this page In a new window Found sound. Wax cylinders Feaster discovered on Smithsonian shelves (top right) were recorded at the 1889 World's Fair in Paris, where Thomas Edison was demonstrating the phonograph (above). CREDITS (LEFT TO RIGHT): RONDA L. SEWALD; STEVE BARRETT; THE RON COWEN COLLECTION WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a quiet storage room three floors above the din of the exhibit halls at the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History, sound historian Patrick Feaster is in nirvana. Donning latex gloves, he shows a visitor some of the ancient audio treasures he had discovered among a stack of more than 200 carefully wrapped glass plates, hollow wax cylinders, and flat metal records. The collection dates from the 1880s, just after Thomas Edison invented the phonograph, when the idea of capturing and playing back a human voice or the toot of a trumpet seemed nothing short of magical. Inventors during that early era experimented with glass, cardboard, cardboard covered with wax, tin foil, and mixtures of paraffin and wax as their recording mediums. They shouted into a mouthpiece, causing a vibrating needle to cut grooves into a record; some used photoengraving and variable beams of light to imprint a pattern. And now Feaster, a friendly but intense 40-year-old with a slender build and a photographic memory for anything phonographic, had first crack at helping bring back to life the lost sounds of 130 years ago. His 2-month stint in the “nation's attic” had turned up undreamed-of finds, including long-lost cylinders recorded at the 1889 World's Fair in Paris and what may be the first-ever sound recording on a disk. Archives and artifacts, however, are only part of Feaster's chosen work. Just as important, he says, is his mission of using modern technology to resurrect long-vanished voices and sounds—some of them never intended to be revived. Listening backward Feaster has been obsessed with sound recordings for as long as he can remember. Growing up an only child in Valparaiso, Indiana, in the 1970s, Feaster became fascinated with his parents' vinyl 33-rpm records and started making paper cutouts of his own LPs at age 4. (His mother still has a few.) When his father started frequenting outdoor auctions and swap meets in search of parts for restoring a 1930 Model A Ford pickup, Patrick tagged along, marveling at the old phonographs and records that were on display. In 1993, Feaster joined the master's degree program in history at Indiana University, Bloomington, but switched to the folklore and ethnomusicology department, where he found an outlet for his love of 19th and early 20th century recorded sound. The research for his 2007 thesis on how the phonograph affected the performances of Victorian musicians, vaudevillians, and orators could have filled several books, recalls his adviser and collaborator, Richard Bauman. View larger version: In this page In a new window New breed. Experimental recordings by the Volta Laboratory in the early 1880s are among the first records inscribed on disks. CREDIT: PHOTOS BY RICH STRAUSS, NATIONAL MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY, SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION By then, Feaster and colleagues David Giovannoni, Richard Martin, and Meagan Hennessey had formed FirstSounds.org, a group devoted to finding and disseminating the earliest sound recordings. The team had been nominated for a Grammy for its CD Actionable Offenses, a compilation of bawdy wax-cylinder recordings from the 1890s. Another CD, Debate '08, reissued 22 recordings by presidential candidates William Howard Taft and William Jennings Bryan during the 1908 campaign—the first time sound bites were used in a presidential election, Feaster says. In 2007, FirstSounds embarked on a much more daring quest: unearthing and playing back transcribed sounds that predate by 17 years Edison's phonograph and his needle-cut tin foil records. It began over beers at an Italian restaurant near Union, Illinois—the site of a large antique phonograph show—when Feaster and his colleagues began brainstorming about what might be the world's oldest sound recordings. Feaster mentioned the Parisian typesetter and amateur inventor Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville, who in the 1850s designed and built a machine that used a horn and stylus modeled on the human ear to pick up vibrations from the air and trace them onto paper coated with soot (see figure, above). The inventor had no interest in playing the sounds back; rather, he hoped that people could learn to read the “phonautograms” and mentally reproduce words, songs
[Phono-L] best way to store wax cylinders?
I should know this but what are some of the best ways to store wax cylinders, aside from good temperature control? Is it OK if they are in their cylinder boxes? And if I am putting them all in some large storage box, is it OK if it's plastic, and should the large storage box not have a lid, because that might trap moisture? Are there some kind of archival storage boxes that are preferable and what type are they and what might be a source? Thanks, Ron Silver Spring, MD ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison NHP Presentation Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice
can't stay away the whole weekend but thanks. Hope they video the presentation. Have a great time, Ron From: mark lynch [mailto:markely...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thu 10/28/2010 10:16 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison NHP Presentation Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice A fascinating presentation at the Edison NHP next Saturday. Read below for free reservations. Hope to see some of you there. Best, Mark Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice - David Giovannoni at Thomas Edison NHP, November 6, 7:00 pm Thomas Edison NHP News Release Contact: Karen Sloat-Olsen Phone: 973-736-0550 x17 Reservations: 973-736-0550 x89 Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice Historian David Giovannoni Presentation WEST ORANGE, NJ - On Saturday evening, November 6, 2010, at 7:00 pm, Thomas Edison National Historical Park welcomes historian David Giovannoni who will give a 75-minute illustrated presentation titled Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice. The program will be held at the Laboratory Complex at 211 Main Street. Admission to the program is free. Seating is limited and reservations are required. Reservations can be made by calling 973-736-0550, ext.89. Thomas Edison's tinfoil phonograph of 1877 is rightly considered one of the marvels of the nineteenth century. But in mid-nineteenth-century France, amateur inventor Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville conceived of a rather similar machine. Between 1854 and 1860 he experimented with focusing airborne sounds of speech and music onto paper. His phonautograph bore a striking resemblance to Edison's phonograph of 20 years later. But his recordings, unlike Edison's, were meant to be read by the eye, not heard by the ear. For a century-and-a-half his experiments lay quietly in the venerable French archives in which he deposited them. Then in 2007 a few audio historians hypothesized there was a real possibility that modern technology could develop these experimental recordings like dormant photographic plates. Instead of exposing images, however, these would bear sounds - perhaps even humanity's first recordings of its own voice! In this presentation David Giovannoni recounts how he and his colleagues have identified dozens of these forgotten documents and coaxed several to talk and to sing. A principal in their discovery and recovery, Giovannoni is the first person since Scott de Martinville to personally examine every recording. He'll explain how they were made and how they are played. He'll discuss Scott de Martinville experiments, his reception in established scientific circles, and his early descent into an unmarked grave. For more information or directions please call 973-736-0550 ext. 11 or visit our website at www.nps.gov/edis. -NPS- National Park Service U.S. Department of the Interior Thomas Edison National Historical Park 211 Main Street West Orange, NJ 07052 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay
update on the ebay site now says: THIS IS ONLY ONE MACHINE FOR SALE THE NEW PHOTOS ARE FOR A COMPARISION TO MY MACHINE AS PEOPLE HAVE REQEUSTED THE MACHINE I HAVE USED AS A COMPARISION IS NOT FOR SALE From: Ken Danckaert [mailto:k...@lemur.org] Sent: Wed 2/10/2010 1:23 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay For anyone that is thinking of bidding on the Coin N currently on Ebay, think again. the URL is : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320484058642 I asked the seller to post additional photos. take a close look at the pictures. they show two different machines. It sure looks like a scam to me. Ken Danckaert ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mikiphone instruction booklet (WARING!!)
After one insulting message from the seller when I asked his if this was a reproduction (he initially refused to answer, telling me with exclamation points to read and reread his description), he admitted in a second e-mail that it was a reproduction, or an original copy as he so obtusely put it. He then said a true original would be $750 and that his copy was a bargain--not that I'd bid anything this guy had to sell. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved [mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:25 AM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mikiphone instruction booklet (WARING!!) Sounds like Gene Gogal in Canada, he is famous for his off eBay deals where he cheats people. I would use PayPal with a credit card, that way you have some protection. I sent Gene $110 cash and he happily took my money and never even thanked me, I saw on eBay that the buyer that supposedly did not want the items left him feedback for them. From: way...@shaw.ca To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:20:40 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Mikiphone instruction booklet (WARING!!) Sent this seller money for a Mikiphone needle tin that he was selling me OFF ebay.I never got the tin and he clains he never got the money.He was quick to email and then never heard from him but once.Kept saying he was on holidays.Then the tin never came up again!!???.First time for me.Please be careful. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] presidential debates 1908 style--first recordings of presidential candidates
also great images. image gallery has audio link to one Taft and Bryan wax cylinder recording. the Bryan one, about possible failiure of banks, is eerily prescient today. http://sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/36947/title/The_first_sound_bites
[Phono-L] the 1908 William Jennings Bryan-Taf presidential candidate records
Hi, this is Ron Cowen, a phoho collector and writer, who plans to write an article on the first use of records in 1908 among the two presidential candidates. First, although I know the records have been converted to CD, can someone authoratatively tell me whether they can legally be posted at the web site of a major magazine without any copywright issue? (I know songsheets lose their original copywright after 75 years but didn't know if this appplied to records or not.) Second, aside from what the Edison monthly told about the records, if any one has any written accounts describing the making of the records, their impact on the campaign, how they were viewed by the public and the meidia, I'd be grateful. How did Columbia records get into the act--I saw there was one record of Bryan made for Columbia that was recently on ebay. Thanks, Ron Cowen you contact me at rco...@sciserv.org 301/681-3053 home 202/872-5119 work or by mail Ron Cowen 10109 Gates Ave Silver Spring,MD 20902 dea, anFrom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org on behalf of srsel...@aol.com Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 9:14 AM To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] The Stanton Nipper Auction Next Weekend - Who's going? Next weekend is the Sitter Collection of Nipperabilia and other phono items at Stantons. I wish I could go. It should be fun. But my travel budget is limited to the ARSC Conference next month. So who's planning to go? Now a thought. I know the Rolfs usually post photos when they go to these events - and I think that's great - but I'm wondering if anyone has thought of videotaping the auction so we could see the items as well as see - and hear - our fellow collectors! Collections like this come up rarely and it would be great to document it. I don't know if Steve Stanton - who I've never met (I've never been to a Stanton auction) - would find this objectionable but I would think it would help PROMOTE his auctions. So.. I'm throwing the idea out to any of you with a camcorder who are going. (I tried to contact Nippethead Peter Liebert - who did a great job of capturing the CAPS presentation by Dr. Demento - but his web site is down.) Not sure if he's going or not. Anyway, I'm posting this on Phonolist and Phono-L and maybe it'll peak someone's interest. Steve Ramm ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6179 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20070412/f1d0c0d1/attachment.bin From john9...@pacbell.net Fri Apr 13 02:39:49 2007 From: john9...@pacbell.net (John Robles) Date: Fri Apr 13 02:40:17 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] COlumbia Elite help! Message-ID: 20070413093953.b4a5f103...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com COlumbia Elite help! Hi all I thought I had uploaded this message before but I haven't seen it yet, so here goes! I need the two knobs from this machine. One slides the inner sound modulator panel open and closed; the other opens the front panel of the machine. Anyone ever seen them? Or anyone got Howard Hazelcorn's email address? Check out my yahoo photo album to see the machine. Thanks! John Robles http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/john9...@pacbell.net/detail?.dir=/cc13scd.dnm=ee89scd.jpg.src=ph.tok=phlbflGBNAV8Zdrk From john9...@pacbell.net Fri Apr 13 02:43:20 2007 From: john9...@pacbell.net (John Robles) Date: Fri Apr 13 02:45:57 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Vic IV before and after Message-ID: 20070413094524.a0f9d103...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com Vic IV before and after I am pretty much done with the Vic IV I bought. Check my album for the before and after pics. John Robles http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/john9...@pacbell.net/album?.dir=/35a6scd.src=ph.tok=ph4eflGBHL_H..l1 From rvu...@comcast.net Fri Apr 13 03:53:08 2007 From: rvu...@comcast.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 13 03:53:21 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Vic IV before and after References: 20070413094524.a0f9d103...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com Message-ID: 001301c77db9$ec6a9c20$6500a...@your4dacd0ea75 Hi John, I'm confused. The pictures on the right appear to be your IV with its' original finish. The ones on the left look like the machine after stripping both the horn and case. Why didn't you leave it alone? The original looks pretty good. RMV - Original Message - From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:43 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Vic IV before and after Vic IV before and after I am pretty much done with the Vic IV I bought. Check my album for the before and after pics. John Robles http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/john9...@pacbell.net/album?.dir=/35a6scd.src=ph.tok=ph4eflGBHL_H..l1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http
[Phono-L] Edison BOOK
Hi Joan, I'd be interested in purchasing the book. Contact me offline at rco...@sciserv.org Thanks, Ron From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org on behalf of phonost...@aol.com Sent: Mon 9/18/2006 9:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Censorship'Thanks'Now to an Edison BOOK In a message dated 09/18/2006 5:25:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: Of course, you are right. We should all strive to keep the discourse civil and educational in this public forum. Thanks Loran, for positive response. Hi ALL, Now I have a question about a book; Boyhood Days In Old Metuchen by Dr. Trumbull Marshall, c 1929. Handwritten inked note at beginning of the book reads: To My Son Marshall with love from the author. David T. Marshall. June 1929. I emailed Metuchen Historical Society in New Jersey,and they said they had several of these books in their historical collection. What got my interest is that Thomas Edison is mentioned , with pictures, several times in this book. Page 64 shows bw photo of author in the Edison laboratory at Orange N. J. in 1889.Next page shows bw photos of Edison's lab in Menlo Park in 1890. Below this is another photo of Passenger car of the original Edison Electric Railway, 1880. Than used as a chicken coop in 1911. There are more black and white photos concerning Edison in this book, also photos of the author's life. Question for members; Is this book a common Edison book, for I want to sell. Does Phono-L accept 'for sale' emails or should we stick to sharing phonographic info? Thanks,,, Joan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] unusual record
HI, Could you tell me the title and other details? And I wasn't clear, are you bringing this for display or sale? Thanks, Ron Cowen -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of allena...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:01 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] unusual record Hi, Someone has asked me to make available a rare 7 brick red record (single-sided), which has American Talking Machine Record Disk on the face, and the initials E.J.H.. (title etc on request). I can bring it to Wayne for any interested person(s). I believe it was Berliner's first such competitor, tho' short-lived. Allen www.phonobooks.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
